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Topic: AMD demos 1.1 Ghz CPU
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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 02-08- 09:30 AM
   
Spanky here.. How cool is this. http://www.firingsquad.com/news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=1242 I'm not starting a AMD vs INTEL here just letting ya guys know.
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Zurawski
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posted 02-08- 10:23 AM
Kinda makes my new PIII 500 sound like a fancy calculator ....IP: Logged |
Jerry
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posted 02-08- 10:44 AM
Intel has had their 1Ghz in the hands of developers for some time. This should be an interesting year...low end 750mhz anyone?IP: Logged |
Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 02-08- 10:58 AM
Spanky here.. If you P3 500 is a caculator my P2 266 is a slide rule. hehe I heard Intel is supposed to demo a 1 ghz p3 around now? where is that sucker?
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Falck
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posted 02-08- 11:05 AM
Well Im just going to have to get a dual board and take two 2.2GHz....mmmm IP: Logged |
Whirlwind
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posted 02-08- 01:30 PM
Falck - more like 1.5-.7Ghz due to the highly inefficient processor sharing in effect, that and the law of diminishing returns....Intel hasn't and won't ship a 800mhz this month, so AMD has a nice performance lead right now. IP: Logged |
Razer
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posted 02-08- 02:07 PM
That's nothing read this.IBM will show designs at the current International Solid-State Circuits Conference of a new slate of high-speed computer circuits that run at speeds of 3.3 to 4.5 gigahertz, up to five times faster than today's fastest Pentium III chips. The new design uses conventional silicon transistors, but requires half the power of a standard high-performance chip. One gigahertz will be available within one year, while three and four gigahertz will be available in three to four years, IBM said. hows that for speed?
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Mighty
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posted 02-08- 05:09 PM
It was predicted a year ago that AMD was going to get to 1 GHz first. It's just happenstance, the way the product cycles worked out. They'll still be leap-frogging each other, giving us consumers an incredible bang for our buck.I just went and bought a 27 gig drive for $200 last weekend. The power that's available to the consumer today is simply ridiculous. I love it! IP: Logged |
Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 02-08- 05:34 PM
Spanky here... I personally would love to see a PSX2 cpu running at 1 ghz. AT 6.4Gflops at 300 mhz can you imagine 1000? Razer is that a consumer chip? Or some crazy $20000 cpu?
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Nat
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posted 02-08- 07:11 PM
well, I gotta say, since the K62-CXT chips, Intel have always been behind, and right now I don't see how they will out perform AMD.. .an I'll tell you what.. I LOVE THAT!! AMD were always second best and a long way behind.. but now they massively out do Pentium, and all that for far less money, damn who wants a Pentium anyway, I'd rather save money and get faster CPU'sIP: Logged |
Pa Stone
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posted 02-08- 07:23 PM
I'm down with the AMD collective also!the first page I check daily is www.amdzone.com, even before fightersquadron.com... IP: Logged |
Mirthain
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posted 02-08- 07:51 PM
Well.... that is rather misleading is it not? They have a working model.. but not a production version yet.
2 points about AMD...
Math co processors are not as good Intel. That doesn't mean much to those that don't use it, but we do in Flight sims.
Second, the CPU's themsleves are nice enough, but a good mid to low priced motherboard that actually works right is almost impossible to find..... And this hasn't changed since the K6-2.
I hear about this all day long, I do tech support for a multimedia company. This will always cripple AMD until they can get motherboards with chipsets that don't fail on AGP, USB and PCI cards and devices they will always have a problem in my opinion.. and one reason I won't go back to AMD. Add that to the fact that Intel still does most of the trend setting for the PC world and many of the standards are developed by Intel... I tend to stay that direction.
Perhaps AMD will do more than just make a CPU that is fast.......
Till then, I am an INTEL kind of guy...
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Pa Stone
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posted 02-08- 09:14 PM
Heard of FUD?Mirthain, the general consensus of the Internet community appears to be that Athlon is every bit as stable as PIII. Also, try checking some benchmarks before you propogate FUD, you will find any Athlon will *WHIP* a PIII of equivalent megahertz rating in FPU performance. Meaning the Athlon is the choice of 3dGamers. This is because it has a fully-pipelined FPU with 3 Floating Point execution units, compared to the PIII with 2 FPEU's which are not fully pipelined. I mean, wake up and smell the coffee dude. And the real clincher is they're cheaper too!!! p.s. and much more readily available IP: Logged |
Nat
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posted 02-08- 09:34 PM
well, to be honest as I've always heard, even the K62-3D now CXT chips have 3 FPU's, they come with 2 standard, and the third is the 3D.. thing is, when the 3D isn't in use, it functions as a 3rd FPU, I may be wrong, but it was big news when the new range of K^2's came out. And I have to agree with you Pa... believe me, unless I was given a Pentium I'd not touch one with a barge pole, AMD have been well ahead for some time now, damn even the Cyrix out did them by producing a higher clocked CPU when they introduced 75mhz insted of Intels 66mhz.. who was leading the way there?? OK, I agree there were problems with the Cryix, but I think we have to agree that they were breaking new ground. And lets face it, whats left thats truely ground breaking, what matters now is speed, and cost. I can't say about Athlon setups, I haven't touched them, but I have worked on pentium and amd systems for a long time, and have never had trouble on a system using an AMD, I've always found them very very stable. I think people really need to wake up and stop believeing what they are told by Intel about Pentium, they advertise all the time here on TV, but I aint ever seen AMD advertise.. they don't really need to though cause everyone knows they kick pentiums ass all of this ofcourse is IMHO  lol IP: Logged |
Rattler
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posted 02-08- 09:47 PM
I've had both AMD and Intel Processors spanning 8+ years.
Mirthian hit the nail DIRECTLY on the head,
EXCEPT for the Athlon. AMD Finally addressed the issues.Rattler IP: Logged |
Kite
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posted 02-09- 12:42 AM
I just build myself an Athlon 500 system last Christmas - It rocks.IP: Logged |
semmern
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posted 02-09- 02:27 PM
Macintosh has been on the market with 1.5 GhZ for half a year already: The G4. And you can get Windows on a Mac too. Imagine having a G4 with Windows and a Voodoo 6, running SDOE. The framerates would be sky high.------------------
We shall fight on the beaches, in the streets, on the sea, in the air.... and in SDOE!!! IP: Logged |
Mirthain
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posted 02-09- 08:43 PM
Funny Pa Stone, I never noticed the INI fix for Intel processor's for this game before.... perhaps I just missed it. I can get a benchmark to reflect anything I want to, and so can many people.. I have seen benchmarks that are so completely faked it isn't funny.
BTW, I have been a hardware tech for 10 years and have seen AMD come up from nothing to where they are now.... believe me when I say that they are not a bad processor, but you still haven't mentioned the problems with the motherboards.... Which is the biggest problem of the AMDs right now anyway. Please, fast is nice, but having a system that is using the hardware designed by the people that make the standards in this industry makes a difference. BTW, I am not fond of the P3, there are many problems with it as well.... but I would not ditch an INTEL Chipset for VIA or ALI any day of the week.
Honestly, I believe that most of the heat of these kind of discussions are from 2 sources, first people (Men especially) who don't like to hear negative things about what they have spent their money on, and second, ever since the computer industry became mainstream, we are seeing a trend to knock the companies that have set the trends and made the industry accesable to the majority of users. Many people "Hate" Bill Gates, yet for easily 80-90% of the current Bill haters, they never would have been able to decipher the industry they are now claiming to be experts in. This is the same for Intel... I am not saying either company is perfect, but please, remember that AMD got it's start making less expensive copies of the 486 line of CPU's. The reason that there never was an Intel line of 586's was becuase of Intel trying to protect their name and product from being marketed by other companies. (You can't copyright or trademark a number).
If you want to make a case for the Athalon, then please show us a motherboard that is mid priced that hasn't had to be patched into the next century to support current high end devices.
Of course, these are my opinions and are no way intended to be supported or reflect anyone by myself.
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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 02-09- 08:59 PM
Spanky here.. Well i'll just avoid the whole thing and buy myself a nice shiny PS2 and blow it all out of the water. hehe. No MB problems there. No vid card drivers. NO WINDOWS
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Jerry
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posted 02-09- 09:27 PM
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Nat
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posted 02-09- 10:54 PM
I really don't know where you guys are having these supposed problems with motherboards and AMD cpus, I've always built my own system, and as far as cheap to mid ranged goes, thats my name!! I'm using a K62 cxt chip on a TXII Pro board.. I think that qualifies as cheap, especially today, and yes you've guessed it.. no probalems what so ever, infact, I never have had problems with AMD and motherboards not working well together, so don't try to tell me there are problems with cheap motherboards, there aren't, you can tell me all day that you've been in tech support, I've been building PCs since the 50mhz was considerd fast, I've built amd, intel, pentium and cyrix systems, there is no problem with amd and motherboards unless the builder makes one, they are as compatible with hardware as any pentium, and from what the other guys are saying the Athlon is better, well I can't see it, don't get me wrong, I mean in the setting up of it, how can it be better than something that has no problems.. lolThe AMD is an excellent chip, thats costs half the price of the equivalent pentium. Not that Pentiums are bad chips, just far too expensive, and so over rated it's unreal, I prayed every day for AMD to come into the market and catch up with Intel.. well, they didn't, they beat them hands down instead, they are setting the pace and the standard now, whatever intel did in the past is all irelevant today, because AMD beat them at their own game, and I love it, score one to the good guys! IP: Logged |
Mirthain
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posted 02-09- 11:19 PM
I am waiting for this to hit the flame board.. Heheheh
don't get me wrong, I like AMD and what they do... but I really hate to tell you... they are not setting the pace of PC's. They are a driving force to keep prices down, but they follow, not lead. Just making something faster is not changing the industry into a new more dynamic hardware standard, they just make it go faster. And AMD has been around as long as you have been working with PC's. They first made a name for themsleves doing 486 compatible CPU's. It confuses me that you would say "I prayed every day for AMD to come into the market and catch up with Intel.. " They were in direct compition with Intel over the 486's and had a rather large market share, enough to make Intel change their naming convention..As to problems with the chipsets... go look for yourself... don't take my word for it.... look at the motherboard sites, look at what the bios updates are doing.. are they providing wider support or fixing problems? You will find that the majority are fixing problems, not like the intel chipset motherboards and just widening support.
I have been building systems since 20MhZ was fast and the majority of systems were 8-16 MhZ. My First Mboard was a 286-12. And if you think that the only problems were ones built in by the assembler, then you have just been lucky...
But I must say this again, this is my Personal OPINION based on what I have seen as a tech. Take it or leave it either way.
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Nat
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posted 02-10- 12:19 AM
Mirth, no worries, I love a good discussion of 2 very different opinions But as you say about BIOS changes being made more supportive of AMD, that doesn't really supprise me, Intel set the standards that everyone follow, so if someone finds a different way, then it needs support, if the table's had've been turned we'd be saying the same of Intel needing that kind of support.But still, I don't see much ground breaking done by Intel, and haven't for a while, I didn't see a use for MMX as it meant re designing games to use it, and this PIII thingy thats supposed to be better for internet applications, wel to be honest I can't see it, I'd sooner say that that dept depends very much on your system, and not whats added to the cpu.. I could easily be wrong though. Above all else I'll stay AMD, the obvious reason being that they are "relatively" affordable, and are at the very least, no worse than a Pentium, and at best, really out do them. Having computers as a hobby is expensive enough as it is, I really think that Intel need to look at what they are doing, and how they are doing it, then more of us that live on a tight budget might look at them, let face it, these days having a tight budget no longer means you have to have a "bad" CPU, cause AMD have made fast, competative and affordanble high quality cpu's oh, and incase you're wondering, I have actually had Pentiums in the past.. LOL, fist a 133 clocked to 200, then a 200 mmx, so it's not like I wont get whats best at the time if able... LOL IP: Logged |
Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 02-10- 08:01 AM
Spanky here... well just to throw more into the fire!! I just read a review of the P3 800 RDram (think i got that right) and it was faster then the amd 800 by a bit. (can't remember exactly how much nothing crazy though) BUT it was using rdram talk about an unlevel playing field. The ram they had to use just to catch up to amd was 5xs as expensive. So when you go to buy your spanky new p3 800 figure in the added cost of that extra expensive ram. And that ram still doesn't have the bandwidth of the ram in the psx2. IP: Logged |
Pa Stone
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posted 02-10- 01:58 PM
Mirth, no really, the FPU on the Athlon has 3 execution units and IS fully pipelined and thus is faster. Find me one benchmark where an equivalent MHz P3 outperforms an Athlon in FPU.The INI file mod you mentioned is not a compatibility thing, it simply allows you to play network games at 'real-time' speed given the older K6's 'slower' FPU. It could also be used on a Pentium 233MMX to force realtime mode since the game decided it's FPU wasn't fast enough. AMD sound 900,000 Athlons in Q4'99, if they are that bad why don't I hear everybody complaining? IP: Logged |
Whirlwind
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posted 02-10- 03:05 PM
Isn't AMD helping along with DDR? I beleive that it is just as fast, but cheaper than current SDRAM memory we have now. SIS(??) is doing a Samurai chipset designed to use DDR memory, as are a few others.IP: Logged | |
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