posted 02-07- 11:31 AM               

Now I've to defenitely write something down:
(This is not gona be a FLAME!!!)

Question:
Now I've been reading this forum for a long time and what realy makes me sad are the following points (once again NO FLAME just my toughts!!):
- FS:SDOE is a game about WWII airplanes (isn't it??)
- Now I've seen soooooooo much development in stuff like jet-planes, wwI-planes, ground-vehicles and just a few versions of already available planes (bf109 to mention one). Don't misunderstand me they are ALL GREAT!

I defenitely like those works (hey in the end its just fun ehh?)!!
But all this brainwork, in my dump opinion should have gone into planes like:
- HE111
- B24
- Hurricane, etc, etc, etc
- Bety's
- Fiat
- Macchi

....so where are they????

...and the contest doesn't make me happy either!!!!!

Hey if I'm wrong let me know please!
(...no flame please! hehehe)

posted 02-07- 11:49 AM               

And because of that they work on stuff they like. I am working on a P40 (ww2 plane for ya) but after that i am thinking of working on other stuff. WW1 and korea era. Not cause i don't like ww2 but because the ww1 looks soo damn cool and who doesn't want to see the CF-105 arrow in the game and the CF-86 sabre?

hehe
i think that pretty much it. People want to see certain planes flying in SDOE just to see them fly. And they just happen not to be all ww2 stuff

posted 02-07- 12:03 PM               

..but the only thing I wanted to write down was, that I'm still missing somme realy major planes in SDOE (that played major parts in wwII). And those planes are not in the contest!

Laika: (poor excuse I know!) Since I've not enough time I would do it miself ...family-men you know ;-)

cheers
gt
ps: "P40" tought it's a new japanese motorcycle ;-) (as a ground object??)

posted 02-07- 12:26 PM               

NO ONE is getting paid nor are under any contract to develope anything for FS (correct me if I'm wrong) ...

Left to ones devices ... we create what ever brings us the most joy and personal entertainment.

I understand your plight ... However, I see it as being a bit selfish. Something someone said here once and I liked it ... "Nice thing about FS, If you don't like something ... you can fix it yourself!"

There is room in FS for ANY type or time-frame aircraft ... I surmise you'll see the aircraft you wish for in due time ... Just not right now.

posted 02-07- 12:26 PM               

Not a bad post. I'd say if you are really itching for some good stuff, then don't hesitate to try and learn OpenPlane. It's fun and slightly addicting :P

In my case, flying all the planes you can dream of is fun. BUT I get sick of seeing the same ol' scenery and objects after a year of flying this sim to death. SO, I've taken it upon myself to go nuts adding to this game, not only airplanes but things I've always wanted to see. SUCH AS the balloons, Zeppelin, FLYABLE V-1, and now the V-2. I think IMHO this really add's to the beauty of the sim and gives people a nice new target selection. Also the boats and trains and so forth, I need to get my boats "shipped out" to you guys don't I? I'll get on that ASAP.

So all in all, since (as far as I know) you aren't building anything, you really can't be a chooser, although you can wish. And for lords sakes be happy with what IS out there and make use of it. Myself and others have put countless hours (for NO pay!) into this stuff out of shear enjoyment for this sim. So with all the building that's going on BE HAPPY! In time your wishes will be answered in new planes and what not.

I for one DO have a B-24 right here, in progress. I also have a HE-111 that needs lots of work, the PBY Catalina..., plus a GOB of others that I wish to finish at some point. Problem with all this is I have a life, and a family, and a job, so as much as I've been crankin stuff out lately, it can't go on forever before something else "gives". I have to do some things for my job soon so I'm gonna be easing off the OP somewhat. But never entirely.

So, just look forward to whats coming soon and for now just enjoy the sim for what it is IT WILL get much better with all the work being done now.

posted 02-07- 12:52 PM               

I couldn't give a damm what planes are being made. After all, I don't see to many people complaining about the WWII planes available for Flight Sim!

There is a wealth of talent out here and all I can say is that I've been totally impressed with what I've seen so far.

Long may it continue.

Cheers

Bradburger

posted 02-07- 01:11 PM               

sorry guy's! as I said before just my poor little toughts!
Please don't get angry !

I dont like the added stuff . . I LOVE IT!!
And I hope there will be more and more in this great game.

Pete:
Well the only things I've done so far are:
- WAV's for the italian nation
- Somme skin's
not much .... but don't flame me if it's not more.
I'm realy looking forward for those planes!

peace!
gt

posted 02-07- 01:20 PM               

Sorry if i came across a bit harsh. I didn't intend to flame you!

Been one of those days!

Cheers

Bradburger

posted 02-07- 01:51 PM               

So it's not that we don't want to do WWII planes, it's just that we need to learn HOW to them first.

I don't think anyone is angry with you. I know I'm not, and my last project was about as far from WWII as you can get . I think it's important for people to feel free to express their feelings and pinions on this forum, and I also think the community as a whole here, does an excelent job of accepting them.

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Cheers!
Jaguar
The FS Hangar

posted 02-07- 02:52 PM               

I think as long as the Missions remain faithful to an era or location any additional planes or objects can only help. I personally wouldn't want to fly an SE5 against an F-86.

posted 02-07- 02:56 PM               

I too had no intension of flaming you or even coming across as upset. I wasn't thinking that way at all.

posted 02-07- 09:22 PM               

I agree completely with your post, but I've come to realize that it's because I'm something of an uptight neat freak. (This does not mean anyone else has free license to support that point ) What I mean is that instead of wishing people would make just WWII stuff, I just wish people would FINISH stuff! Now I'm not going to say any more because I'm on thin enough ice as it is, but let it be known that I am somewhat justified in my comments: I have tried to make sense of the T34, and tried to make sense of OpenPlane, and frankly I enjoy beating my head against a brick wall more. Instead I contribute (like gterl) by coordinating and contributing to the Nations and running that little ol' site the BCATP. So, to all those out there who are creating things - go for it! It's cool to fly balloons and helicopters, and drive tank(s?) and relive WWI, please just make sure you follow through on your projects! If you want to know what I mean by this, please refer to Sv's SE5a homepage. A classic example, IMO.

Werner

posted 02-08- 01:35 AM               

In no way are you off base or out of line - you are simply expressing a wish, and you aren't the first to do so, nor will you be the last..hehehe Above, Zurawski - in his usual abrupt ( but extremely Loveable!! ) manner - expressed a very key point, IMHO. That point being, no one is currently being paid to do these things. It is a labor of love; love of aircraft, love of flying, love of computers - art - creation. Just as you yourself have done, as you mentioned.

I already know I am too dumb ( or old?? ) to accomplish anything like that, so I fly...but the neat thing is, I can choose to fly what I want!! That is sooo great. Like anyone else, there are things I'd like to see, but with so many projects going and so few involved ( that will change, too, I think, as more people become involved ) there may be some time to have to wait. But it will happen.

I think it is the fact that this is being done for free that makes it so fantastic; how many of us have thought of making a career out of something we loved doing, only to find that once we were being paid, some - or all - of the fun went away? I could envision myself trying this OpenPlane thing, with the desire of doing, say, a P40...only to find that after a bit of success, I want to take a stab at doing a MIG...or a Huey..or Apache...or aircraft carrier...suddenly, I am stretched too thin!! But the only real pressure is from me, because I am doing it in my spare time, so I finish what I can when I can.

If I were being paid, I would have to complete the assignment ( plane, etc ) to the satisfaction of the producer/developer. This would severely curtail my 'dream' project...it could even mean I turn out something less than I am capable of, because of burn-out. So, I think we have a great thing going here, and I echo a couple of other statements about getting one's feet wet....if you would like to see something, and think you have the ability and time, do what others have done and jump on in.

If you ever decide to do that, I will be happy and eager to fly your creation. If not, no biggie....we are still part of one great community, and can enjoy it's benefits and discuss the days away while waiting for all the great new stuff being sent our way!!

posted 02-08- 08:46 AM               

For WWII I like the planes with multiple crew positions and cool cockpits. This stuff is still to hard for me now, but I LOVE JT's cockpit work on the P38, etc. I would like to do the same type of thing to the JU88, B17, Lanc, and Mosquito cockpits.

In fact, the Mosquito is one of my favorite planes... well it is made of wood you know

In a way I really agree with you gterl, even though I am one of the offenders heheh. I do think that what srengthens SDOE now will help OpenPlane in the long run...

The cool aspects of WWI in SDOE for me is:
1. Othwer WWI sims lag far behind in most aspects
2. The small terrain of SDOE huts WW2, but not WWI
3. The physics-heavy FM make flying primitive aircraft a thrill, more organic and life-like.
4. The real 3D cockpits bring open cockpit flying to life!
5. Online missions are more realistic for WWI with the limited squaad sizes.

As systems get faster and MH makes improvements I think WW2 will get more and more viable. Then we can have bigger missions and more complex planes...

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-Sv =FC=

WWI in SDOE!

posted 02-08- 09:04 AM               

K i don't know why this isn't mentioned more but.

I don't think Openplane is as hard as people think. I'm not very good with it (in fact i don't have anything flying that i have made) but its really not that bad. AS LONG AS YOU HAVE HELP. Which we do. I asked 3 or more questions last night and they are all pretty much answered. I think the key is help and documents/tutorials.

What we need is a Makeing a ground object walk through. Like just one to make a house or tower or somthing. Something really simple.

Then we need a simple plane. Maybe a highwing observer plane with one engine and no guns and nothing fancy.

Then maybe a dual engine fighter with guns like a misquito.

Then everyone could start making stuff.

And about time and being a family guy. I think it just has to be your main hobby. I don't see what the deal is. I think almost everyone here is a family man. SV you have kids? Pete hawk? Zur? Tail?

I know i'm forgetting tons but somehow they find the time. This sim being as cool as it is with openplane is my dream come true. I dno't know how peopple can help but try and make their favorite planes.

BTW 3d modeling is way easier then i though. The hard part seems to be getting it done and in the game flying.

posted 02-10- 06:57 PM               

Werner