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Maury Markowitz
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posted 02-02- 07:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maury Markowitz   Click Here to Email Maury Markowitz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know this might sound weenie, but is there any chance the German planes in B8 could get proper naming? As it stands we seem to have every possible combinatoric on the names.

I'll do this if you'd like, where would I send the results?

Maury

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Yardstick
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posted 02-02- 07:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yardstick   Click Here to Email Yardstick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maury pls expand.

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Maury Markowitz
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posted 02-02- 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maury Markowitz   Click Here to Email Maury Markowitz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I'm at work now, but as I remember it we have something like this:

ME190G4
Me-109F-4
FW-190A4
FW190A-8
Heinkel100
Go229

The list _should_ read:

Me 109G-4
Me 109F-4
FW 190A-4
FW 190A-8
He 100D-1
Go 229 (what version?)

Essentially we have every combination of short and long form for the names at the front, and dashes inserted or removed seemingly at random.

For German planes the rules are:

The "company name" consists of the first letters of the first two names of the company. If there is one name, use the first two letters of that name. If that is taken, pick another for the second letter.

Thus:
Focke-Wulf = FW
Messerschmitt = Me
Heinkel = He
Gotha = Go

The company code is followed by a single space. This is followed by the RLM code of the plane, like "100". This is followed by the version letter, a dash, and the subversion number. So...

CompanyCode RLMCodeMajorVersion-MinorVersion

In addition very minor changes were added as a lower case letter thus:

Me 262A-1a

And finally the R packages were added with a slash thus:

Me 109G-6/R6

Here's a ref: http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/gustin_military/gerdes.html

One issue left standing is if it's FW or Fw, I've seen both.

Like I said, this really is a *very* minor point, but one that's also just as easy to fix.

Maury

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mposis
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posted 02-02- 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mposis   Click Here to Email mposis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you mean changing the directory names and file names?

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Yardstick
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posted 02-02- 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yardstick   Click Here to Email Yardstick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maury, I agree that there is some inconsistency in naming conventions due to planepack development history that I am not going to bore you with. The crux is that if we were to change them it would require all the authors of both on-line and off-line missions to edit them - something that would be extremely dull to do. It would simply create too much hassle for others if we corrected these minor errors at this stage.

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Spyder
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posted 02-02- 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spyder   Click Here to Email Spyder     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What's with the Me? Bf109 is more correct.
=:P

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roadtoad
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posted 02-02- 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadtoad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're right - it was weenie

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Maury Markowitz
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posted 02-02- 08:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maury Markowitz   Click Here to Email Maury Markowitz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yard:

I shudder when I think of known issues being left in for backward compatiblity, but so be it.

But can't we get the new ones fixed before they go out in the plane pack?

Maury

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Maury Markowitz
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posted 02-02- 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maury Markowitz   Click Here to Email Maury Markowitz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spyder:

Actually both "Bf" and "Me" were used for the 109, and as I understand it, the 110 in some documents.

So most people just go with Me, because that's what we call the plane. Imagine "Hey, look out for that Bayerside Flugzwerk!".

Heh.

Maury

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Mirthain
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posted 02-02- 10:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirthain   Click Here to Email Mirthain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, for accuracy,
BF is correct since that was the company name at the time of manufacture. Even though later planes were to use the ME designation, the entire 109 series was BF.
It was not worth changing the designation and all the attendant paperwork just for that change.

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rkdodge
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posted 02-02- 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rkdodge   Click Here to Email rkdodge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"It was not worth changing the designation and all the attendant paperwork just for that change."
Kind of says it all, no?
Maybe a posted doc with all plane's filenames as they exist in the sim would be a good idea?

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LLv34_Camouflage
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posted 02-03- 07:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LLv34_Camouflage   Click Here to Email LLv34_Camouflage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Bf" was only used for the first versions of the 109, I believe up to E model (not sure). Later models used "Me".

Same for the 110, don't remember when they changed it, though.

Camo

Oh yeah, almost forgot: I agree with Maury, good info from him!

[This message has been edited by LLv34_Camouflage (edited 02-03-2000).]

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LLv34_Camouflage
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posted 02-03- 07:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LLv34_Camouflage   Click Here to Email LLv34_Camouflage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Heh, I dug this up:

From http://frhewww.physik.uni-freiburg.de/~jaensch/109/desig.htm

quote:
The airplane and engine designation scheme

Date : 03. Sep. 1998


The RLM (Reichs Luftfahrt Ministerium, German Air Ministry) distributed a unique number for every aircraft-related product. The first number showed what kind of
product it was, 8 for an aircraft, 9 for piston-engines, 109 for jet- and rocket engines. The official designation for the Bf 109 was 8-109, it was the 109th plane on
the list. In normal use, the leading 8 was replaced by an abbreviation indicating the manufacturer. Some aircraft got a higher number than entitled on special request
of the manufacturers, e.g. the FW 200 Condor. Developments of an aircraft often got a number increased by 100, e.g. Bf 109 (*), Me 209, Me 309....

In the case of the engines, the first digit of the engine number indicates the manufacturer, e.g. 6 for Daimler Benz, 9-601 or DB 601 the most widely used engine of
the Bf 109.

(*) In September 1938 the Bayrische Flugzeugwerke was renamed to Messerschmitt. The RLM (Reichs Luftfahrt Ministerium, German Air Ministry) and the
Wehrmacht changed the abreviation from 'Bf' to 'Me'. The manufacturer continued using the 'Bf' for aircrafts in production. Since then the 8-109 was built as Bf 109
and used as Me 109.


So, it was built as "Bf" and used as "Me"

Camo

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Razer
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posted 02-03- 08:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Razer   Click Here to Email Razer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is not a hard thing to do guys. The planes name that shows up in the game is just in the loadout.ppf file. If you the names to be historicly accurate, then all we have to do is the above.

though i don't time to do it. i'm sure the people working on the planepack could.

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Update:

I just read yards reply above and he's right. If you cahnge the names all the missions will no longer work. and will need to be redone.

this how ever would take way to much time.

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Razer

[This message has been edited by Razer (edited 02-03-2000).]

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Tailslide
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posted 02-04- 02:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tailslide   Click Here to Email Tailslide     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I like to be consistent in the plane name both in the source and everywhere else otherwise it gets confusing when you work on the planes. A proper name change would take more effort..

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