posted 01-22- 03:22 PM               

I just picked up SDoE for a mere $35CND thinking it to be a great bargain. Sadly I can't say I'm terribly happy.

Much of this comes from the flight modelling. I tried this simple test - take up a 190 and pull up to cause a stall. That alone seems almost impossible, the plane continues to climb happily until just mushing out. At high power such behaviour should result in something pretty nasty happening, no?

Once in the "screen shake" mode I leveled off, then started a maximum performance turn. Now with the plane at stall speeds, the 190 should _barely_ be able to turn. In SDoE however the plane happily entered a very good turn with no odd behaviour at all, and was able to sustain a turn rate enough to make me black out.

Simply put this seems rather shocking, notably after coming in from the WarBirds world. I assume many other people here are also WB players, can anyone comment on this? Is SDoE's model as way off as it seems, or is WB's, or are they both on either sides of reality?

Let's assume for the moment that SDoE's is not right, how much control do we, the players, have over the game engine in order to correct for these sorts of issues? I see an amazing amount of new planes and such, which is very refreshing, has the 190 been fixed, or was it never broken to begin with?

posted 01-22- 04:30 PM               

Can you recommend a page that talks about these issues and the solutions that have been applied in the newer plane sets? Is there such a page? Is this an area where perhaps I could help out?

Also there are other issues that seem to need addressing - for instance I noted that there appears to be no flak of any sort around the airbases. The terrain, well, let's just say that needs some work.

I think if I could buy the ultimate sim, it would be Jane's immersive world (and excellent flak!) combined with a large plane set that appears to be developing here, this weather, this damage modelling, and EAW's massive formations.

As noted in other threads, it appears this is the only game in which we can address these concerns to any degree. That alone is an interesting concept. I'm curious if the items above are within our ability to change? How about some of the z-ordering problems I see sometimes? The cockpit instruments?

Sorry to ramble...

posted 01-22- 05:11 PM               

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posted 01-22- 05:11 PM               

Can't think of a page off hand that has what your asking...... if you feel like making one be my guest I'm sure people here would be happy to tell you what new with FS.

The flak is an easy fix. Just use the mission creaor and place how ever many flak units around an airbase as you want. You can even set the skill, agressiveness, etc of the flak gunners. I catually like SDoE's flak over Janes..... I don't know what it is...... just preference I guess...

Basically anything is the game is open to change except for hard coded stuff like changing weather, Sun, and stuff like FPS hits (without making a whole new plane). But all this might (and hopefully will) change soon. I mean, a year ago we didn't even have the game! It came out in March right? then the first user edited plane was the B-17F and that took 4-5 months, if memory serves. Now compair the B-17F to the Zero

I haven't noticed any of those problems on the new planes, but I did notice it on a few older planes. What type of Vid card do you have?

and don't forget to check the FS hangar for skins/planes/objects/and patches.
http://www.fshangar.com

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posted 01-22- 06:11 PM            

Download plane pack 5.2 and the beta version of 5.3 (if you want to have input into the characteristics of the new plane pack).

If you are interested in becoming part of the OPP (Open Plane Project) group I am sure Kopper will be able to help set you up. If you are interested in flight models this group is always looking for help in testing, researching and modifying.

If you're looking for a multiplayer game. Come to the California12 server after 9:30 pm EST.

posted 01-22- 11:57 PM               

http://www.fightersquadron.com/standard.html

posted 01-23- 03:30 AM               

And after you get PP 5.2 give the P 51 a go. It will spin for ya

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posted 01-24- 08:17 PM               

On the other hand I still can't get the D9 to work, I'll keep trying.

Finally, does the OPP stuff override the current plane sets? For instance is the A4 model changed at all in the OPP, or is that only possible via drop-ins in the Media folder?

posted 01-25- 07:52 AM               

The A4 actually has a lighter wing loading than a P51 so I think the two perform correctly relative to each other considering I can barely out turn an A4 with a p51 in the horizontal but not go vertical with it. Some people claim the A4 can out-turn a p51 but it's a close call. The 190's got a bad rep because they had inflexible wingtips that made them tip-stall with less warning which is why the 190A4 is modelled the way it is in Warbirds.

TS

posted 01-25- 08:21 AM               

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posted 01-25- 08:39 AM               

I've managed to get all of B8 running now. The problem was a corrupt or missing data12 file. Once I added that, presto.

As to the 190's, I always thought the WB version was far too mean. It's always been talked about as an excellent gun platform, but in WB even minor corrections can lead quickly to pre-spin behaviour and that simply didn't seem right.

On the other hand the A4 here can handily keep on the tail of a Spit Mk.Vb, which I don't believe is even remotely close.

The A8 does feel better, and the D9 better still. That said they all seem to be far too forgiving when going slow. Specifically they'll happily enter high g turns even at low speed, which should not be possible, and do so cleanly without any spin-like effects.

BTW, do the plane packs adjust the FM of the _original_ planes? If they do, I couldn't tell.

Also the D9 seems a little porky. After getting a Spit on my tail (in that test mission) I entered a low dive (30 degrees or so) and found that the Spit had no problems keeping up. Seems to me that a Dora should easily pull away from anything lower than a Mk.XIV, and even then shouldn't have too much trouble in a run fight.

More testing to follow!

Maury

posted 01-25- 08:43 AM               

Wow ! Are you sure you have everything installed ok ? I haven't tried beta 8 but if this is the case somethings really out of whack.

>they'll happily enter high g turns even at
>low speed, which should not be possible,
>and do so cleanly without any spin-like
>effects.

I'm starting to think maybe somethings not installed right on your system?

>BTW, do the plane packs adjust the FM of
>the _original_ planes? If they do, I
>couldn't tell.

All the original planes have their FM updated and it's very noticeable. Something's strange here..

TS

posted 01-25- 08:46 AM               

If you have a media\aircraft folder rename it to media\myaircraft to make sure you have no conflicting updates installed.

posted 01-25- 08:51 AM               

http://firelight.dynip.com/PlaneStats/spitfirevb-vs-fw190.jpg

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posted 01-26- 12:58 PM               

It's feeling a lot better overall!

Some other points:

The Go-229 is odd. Once it gets going strange things happen. Is this supposed to be the case?

This morning (with the patch) I took off in a 262 and started drifting off the runway. So I pulled up, and lo, I was airborne after about 300 feet. Didn't the 262 have _super_ long TO runs, like on the order of a mile?

I'll just keep posting on this here I suppose, as I find odd things. Or is there a better place?

But now I can't help but start thinking about a 163 model...

posted 01-26- 02:43 PM               

The 262 is still a half baked version of the shipped one. Someone's working on a 262 update but it wasn't ready for 5.3

TS

posted 01-26- 04:47 PM               

On the Go topic, who is Panzer? The effects I'm seeing appear to be compression related, does the engine simulate transonic effects?

posted 01-26- 04:59 PM               

There is a way to make the controls travel less when the plane is going faster but it affects the plane at all speeds. It doesn't work very well for modelling compressibility since it throws everything else off at slower speeds.

You can cause the wings to be sheared off at high speeds by making the joint to the fuselage 'springy' causing oscillations that rip them off at high speeds. Take the b17 into a dive for an example of this.

TS