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Topic: MH rules, ok?
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JV44Siggi
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posted 01-20- 05:00 PM
   
Ah, time has gone by...
This sim has it's flaws..don't they friggin'all???
But bollocks to that. This "new species", the ONLY sim where us punters off the street can actually build our very own planes, stick them in a commercial sim, AND fly them online. THAT F****N ROCKS.
Remember the 'old days'? when we took the piss out of Microcrap, Janes EAW and all? How right we were proved. Penny-ante games that pale when compared to this sim that is so TOTALLY HANDS ON!!!
B17-2...yeah, it's going to blow peoples' minds. But all that grief they're having about the paltry number of planes shipping with the final release...SEND THEM OVER HERE AND LET THEM SEE OUR LOT BUILDING THEIR OWN!!!
SDoE2...going to surpass B17-2 methinks, AND..we'll still be building MORE PLANES for it!
MH has a lot to be proud of..let's all remember that when everyone starts cooing over the 8-plane wonder.
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Yardstick
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posted 01-20- 05:27 PM
Siggi san have you been on the rice wine again  ------------------
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Mr Sparklets
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posted 01-20- 05:51 PM
Siggi is right - SDOE is a remarkable achievement. But is a SDOE2 planned? Did I miss that?IP: Logged |
JV44Siggi
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posted 01-20- 06:17 PM
Nah, that stuff really mashes me up. I stick to crack most nights. Har har.
MH. took a big gamble with SDoE, and got scant praise for it from the press. Now it seems they're blanking his compo. Is it any wonder so few developers take the chance of doing something new for the niche markets when all these toss-pot journos are too busy wanking over the latest no-brainer shoot-em-up? I suspect those fine guys at Wayward will be the next victim, financially, which translates as a disaster for us players. If B17 fails I don't think there will be any further committal of resourses for WW2 air combat simulators.
Ive been as guilty as the next man when it's come to slagging SDoE whilst ignoring it's achievments. And it's achieved a lot. The first physic's based DM amongst other land-mark features. I suspect B17-2 wouldn't be on the horizon if MH hadn't pioneered the concept.
He deserves the recognition, and kudos, for progressing the genre as far as he did, him and his crew. Just that. IP: Logged |
Jerry
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posted 01-20- 09:06 PM
.....and I thought Sybil had a lot of personalities. IP: Logged |
JV44Siggi
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posted 01-20- 11:06 PM
Nuts.
I criticize when I detect complacency, praise when I detect a lowering of morale, so long as both are valid. Isn't that what we all do from time to time?
MH and Parsoft created the new species, so far as I'm concerned...B17-2 has (thankfully) jumped on the bandwagon and further evolved the concept. I'd just like to hope MH and his crew aren't forgotten and stiffed out of their kudos. He's had a rough ride here, deservedly for some of SDoE's less glorious attributes, but he's still the guy who fronted up with the goodies.
That's my opinion, anyone got a problem with that? If so, come on over to the grill and KISS MY ARSE!!!
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spin
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posted 01-20- 11:44 PM
SDOE is the best!
Rah rah rah!!!!
B17 II is getting close. - Beta is only months away. I figure by the time it releases we'll have hacked SDOE to the point where we'll be walking around as pilots and hopping into planes as groups or flying solo. A whole new meaning to a scramble mission - get to your plane and get up before the bad guys arrive. If we could just get the pilot to stop falling through the ground. Remember innovation is about stretching the limits of your capability and proving something can be done.
I love this game
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Jerry
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posted 01-20- 11:52 PM
Siggi, it's not that we disagree with what you say....it's the way you say it! LOLWelcome back to the human race. IP: Logged |
nealg
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posted 01-21- 02:09 AM
Siggi - Hear Hear!! You got it on SDOE and MH, no doubt!And as for what you say and how you say it...if I recall correctly, this gentleman had a tad to do with Meatwater doing the sound pack for SDOE. While the remainder never materialized, what we ( or I, anyway ) got was AWESOME!! I owe the guy for that...so, by gad, speak your piece as you see it, Knight of the Virtual Sky!! ------------------
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juzz
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posted 01-21- 08:33 AM
This is what pisses me off about B-17II... I don't want to be paying for a Bf109G that looks like this: http://www.avsim.com/pages/1199/wayward/109intercepting.jpg The other plane shapes are just as bad.  [This message has been edited by juzz (edited 01-21-2000).] IP: Logged |
Michael Harrison
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posted 01-21- 09:08 AM
Please don't forget the other and long-gone team members. A lot of people have put time and effort into OpenPlane (many more these days who aren't even on the payroll).IP: Logged |
Gunner
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posted 01-21- 09:11 AM
Let me toss my hat in the ring. The other simms do not compair. I feel as though I should insert a quarter in the computer to play them. Then I usually want it back.
Jerry lay off of Siggi, he's the man. Don't make me come down there!:-)------------------
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Michael Harrison
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posted 01-21- 09:11 AM
juzz, I'm curious to know exactly what you don't like about that plane. IP: Logged |
Apeboy
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posted 01-21- 09:48 AM
Looks like a 109 to me. IP: Logged |
juzz
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posted 01-21- 10:30 AM
There are some small details, some big shape problems:
1. The rudder is too small in it's width.
2. The tailwheel is too far back on the fuselage.
3. The rear fuselage is too short in length.
4. The angles on the front quarterglass panels are incorrect.
5. No armourglass behind the pilot.
6. The whole nose shape is incorrect; I can't describe it but it just looks wrong to me. I suspect the paintjob is a made-up one too. It makes me wonder; when the "amateurs" that made the Bf109G-6 for SDOE can do a vastly superior job to the "professional" artist at Wayward... Look at this screenshot of the P-51D: http://www.avsim.com/pages/1199/wayward/b17p51.jpg Notice thickness of the leading edge of the wing, the dorsal fin shape, the positioning of the tailplane, the shape of the spinner and teardrop canopy, the size of the fuel filler caps... And I really don't like that terrain at all, ick! IP: Logged |
Yardstick
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posted 01-21- 10:35 AM
I have to agree with you Juzz on the plane shapes they do look a little off. I have spent more nights with models over the last 6 months than I have with my girlfriend - models of Luftwaffe aircraft that is - and have got to know them pretty well. From what I have seen the 3DOs in B17-II are incorrect in many ways but, with all due respects, very few developers seems to work from detailed modellers scale drawings as MPosis does. And BTW we are all very lucky in this community to have someone with his skill and dedication to detail.However, I am of the opinion that the good things in B17-II - of which there are many - will outweigh its deficiencies. We all have to rally round Wayward on this one. Another failed WW2 sim could put the final nail in the coffin for the genre - something that nobody on this board wants. The sentiments expressed by SIggi are spot on, we all too often criticise sims for there deficiencies rather than emphasising the good points. I am not advocating buying any old crap with a WW2 air combat association but lets rally around developers who genuinely attempt to produce quality products at the hardcore end of the market. Finally before you dismiss these thoughts let's not forget that Inertia has to find a publisher for its next offering. I'm assuming here that MH won't be approaching Activision. ------------------
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Yardstick
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posted 01-21- 10:48 AM
Yes Juzz, the paint jobs on most of the aircraft not accurate - however the 109 is has been changed since that screenshot. I am just a little concerned that the attention that Wayward claim to put into the detail is not carried over to their 3D modelling and paint schemes - and I don't even mean accurate unit depiction but rather simple things like using the correct camo colours and pattern for the planes. If you don't want to depict a particular unit why not use the standard factory finish for all the aircraft - they didn't arrive at the units un-painted and devoid of national markings! What I hear you say, it's easy to criticise, can you do better? Well on the accuracy of paint schemes - yes. This aside I will still be buying this sim and if they release a paint package, I will be dusting off my tablet. ------------------
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juzz
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posted 01-21- 11:03 AM
I'll definitely be buying it regardless, if my PC will run it. IP: Logged |
Tailslide
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posted 01-21- 12:05 PM
That P51D looks very strange too me I hardly recognized it.. I hope fighters didn't take a back seat in B17-2 IP: Logged |
Stark
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posted 01-21- 12:43 PM
You almost have to expect that the fighters took a back seat, at least a bit of one. After all, it is called B17-II... Hopefully they have at least done a good job on the flight physics and performance of the fighters if not the appearance.-Stark IP: Logged |
bjorn
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posted 01-21- 03:33 PM
Oh boy, Juzz, you're right about that screen shot. It's terrible. Let's hope it's an awfully weird camera angle bug in B17-II that causes it, and not an actuall modeling mistake. From their other screenshots, their biggest fault seems to be a love of enormous spinners, and otherwise things look wonderful.
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Jerry
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posted 01-21- 08:38 PM
Gunner, if Siggi thinks I'm picking on him then I apologize. But I'm pretty sure Siggi knows me and my cynical humor by now and recognizes it for what it is. The few times we have butted heads he was perfectly capable of defending himself. I have nothing but respect for Siggi...I think he knows this. If I'm wrong then again, I apologize. IP: Logged |
JV44Siggi
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posted 01-21- 08:55 PM
Eh? what's this? There goes that misunderstanding malarkey again.
Jerry and me are always taking the piss out of each other, no worries there. But I love it when people stick up for me, so you'll just have to suffer it Jerry...sorry mate, but it's in a great cause. Hehehe!
Thanks Gunner...give 'im some more, right up the jacksey! IP: Logged |
Jerry
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posted 01-21- 09:14 PM
Hey.....Yardstick started it....go pick on him! Used and Abused IP: Logged |
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