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Topic: DOLES DOING A B29???
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Tailslide
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posted 01-14- 11:09 AM
   
Post some screen shots ya lurker !
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Zoycite
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posted 01-14- 12:14 PM
Yes please do. Recently while driving to work as I drive by Boeings Museum of Flight everyday, I noticed a big silver thing sitting in the restoration area. I was going too fast to get a good look, so on the way home I had another look. Yes! ITs a B29. I'm very excited to go see it. I have sent in volunteer forms to help with projects, but they havnt called me yet  I am hoping they place it next thier B17. Two planes that changed history together, what a picture. If your ever in the Seattle area, it is a nice stop. Lots of other planes to view as well. A prototype of SR-71, F4U, Airforce One, A6 Intruder and a slew of other planes and jets. Military and civilion. Also some very nice exhibits are always going on. Its free every first Wednesday of the month. Sorry for getting off the topic, Hey wheres that B36  ------------------
Zoycite {GS}
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posted 01-14- 12:19 PM
Last time I went to the States I visited the Boeing Museum. They even have the original "barn" where they assembled aircraft by hand. You can get biplane rides there too. The corsair is awesome. Air Combat USA flies from Boeing field too so it made for a pretty cool vacation! TS IP: Logged |
Tailslide
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posted 01-14- 12:36 PM
Something to tide us over until we go Nuking: 
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posted 01-14- 02:29 PM
Heya Tail,
Yes the Big Red Barn is very interesting. Lots of cool stuff from early in a/c development.I have looked into Air CombatUSA and its quite exspenive. Almost 900 dollars US. I'm still having trouble convincing the wife that its a worthy investment ------------------
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Tailslide
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posted 01-14- 02:38 PM
I'll let you in on a little secret.. if you show up when they are doing their flights there's a good chance you can fly for $400 as a stand in for people who don't show up. My opponent got a little green after the first flight so they offered a deal to someone who stopped by to check things out. He didn't take them up on it so I got to fly against another instructor.. wohoo he was good. Also after you've flown with them a couple times they have a "frequent fighter" price of $400 anytime. TS [This message has been edited by Tailslide (edited 01-14-2000).] IP: Logged |
Dole
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posted 01-14- 06:12 PM
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posted 01-14- 09:33 PM
Maybe there can be an additional prize for someone creating a Slim Pickens riding the bomb object for SDOE?IP: Logged |
IRG
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posted 01-15- 07:05 AM
Seriously Tailslide?Damn... I might start thinking about that again. What kind of age limits are there? ------------------
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Tailslide
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posted 01-15- 11:37 AM
I think they said they've taken up 16 year olds and seniors. I'd watch out for some of the cheaper places though.. I had a friend sign up with another company and the day after he booked they got shut down because the wings snapped off one of the planes in flight causing a couple fatalities. Turned out they had been overstressing the airframes and they all had cracks in them. Not sure if he got his money back : ( At the time of my flight, Air Combat USA had taken up the most people and with a perfect safety record. TS
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posted 01-15- 11:53 AM
I have been waiting sewnce SDOOE came out to fly one of those, GO DOLE, you Kick A*SS man------------------
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Mighty
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posted 01-15- 11:01 PM
The "wing snapped off" incident you mentioned was probably Skywarriors. I haven't seen much on the incident (accident investigations always take forever) but what little I did see was that the damage they saw was unexpected. Skywarriors had been performing all required and reasonable inspections and maintainence, but the fatigue was in an area not covered by the inspections.Skywarriors is based in Atlanta. They were one of the first to offer this service. The FSFORUM people on Compuserve went there as a group a couple of times. Some of those guys were ex-military pilots. One who lived near there checked them out ahead of time and was very impressed with the professionalism of the pilots and the apparent quality of the maintainance that he could see. I read an article in Aviation Week a couple of years ago that cited Skywarriors as the model that the FAA was considering using for regulations that other organizations should match. The point being, from everything I've heard and read, despite the one accident they had, Skywarriors is one of the best-run civilian air combat organizations in the world. Is AirCombat the one in California that has also been around forever? I've heard good things about them, too. I've always wanted to go to Skywarriors. Maybe we should try to get a group together for either SW or AC sometime this year. When the FSFORUM group went they got a group discount, something like $150 off each flight. They made it a week-long get together. Some people splurged for multiple flights and others simply showed up joined the fun on the ground. I think it would be a lot of fun to take some of our online rivalries into the air. IP: Logged |
Tailslide
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posted 01-15- 11:09 PM
I don't think the organization was skywarriors Mighty. I can check back and find the name of the organization if anyone's seriously considering going. Interesting to hear this has happened more than once ! This was related to me by the fellow who had pre-paid his flight to be flown somewhere in Texas I believe. The day after he booked, he found out there had been an accident and things were shut down while the FAA investigated. I asked him about it again a couple months later and he said that the wing(s) came off one of the planes and the customers were airline pilots. Two fatalities. Upon investigation, there were stress fractures in the wings of all the planes indicating they had been pushed well past their limits, at least to 9 G's. TS IP: Logged |
Tailslide
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posted 01-15- 11:13 PM
Yes aircombat is the one that's been around forever. They take some of their planes and tour most parts of the country through the year. There's also an unrelated organization here in Canada that seems well run and has faster planes that can pull even bigger gees, but they don't look as cool = ) I think a trip to meet and fly with the SDOE crowd is an AWESOME idea. I really want to fly again it was alot of fun. TS IP: Logged |
Mighty
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posted 01-15- 11:41 PM
When the Skywarriors plane went down, I believe that the FAA shut down all of the air combat place flying T-34s until they determined the cause. So that might be what kept your friend from flying.As I understand it, the problem wasn't too many G's. It was just that the aircraft were being pushed harder than had been envisioned for a trainer when they were designed. I believe that they came up with extra inspections to catch the fatigue cracks before they become dangerous. IP: Logged |
IRG
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posted 01-16- 10:57 AM
I'll look around for safety related issues when I start researching this again...I saw an organization that flew Harvards (British/Canadian T-6s) while I was in Canada. Do you think that a T-6 would be closer to a WW-2 plane than the T-34? Some T-34s have turbo props right? ------------------
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Mighty
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posted 01-16- 05:05 PM
My unresearched impression is that the T-34 is a bit snappier than the T-6. The videos I've seen of Skywarriors show a noticably faster roll than I've seen T-6's do in air shows. Also, I know that a stock T-6 can't fly inverted for more than a few seconds. I don't know if that's the case for the T-34.I think you're correct that some T-34s are turbo-charged. I just went to check the Skywarriors page for more info on their aircraft and it appears the site is down at the moment. It's amazing how much I've gotten used to instant information. I get frustrated when it's not available IP: Logged |
Tailslide
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posted 01-16- 06:01 PM
The organization flying harvards isn't the Canadian one I was mentioning (wow there's lots of places doing this!). The ones doing Harvards is on the west coast and they have the distinction of firing the guns with propane charges so you get the BOOM BOOM BOOM effect rather than just silence when you shoot. Their website has been down for awhile I fear they're out of business. The other organization is Air Combat Canada, which flies out of Ontario and does the air show circuit. The planes they use are faster and more G tolerant than the Ai Combat USA's Marchetti's but they don't look as cool as they have fixed landing gear. I have links to all this stuff under WW2->links on my site. TS ------------------
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posted 01-17- 10:33 AM
Speeking of a T-6 my dads friends is bulding one, I can get any info you will need on the T-6/SNJ.------------------
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Tailslide
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posted 01-17- 02:02 PM
Ahh dug up the email.. I have this proggy from discovery.altavista.com that indexes all my email for keyword search. Very handy.-- > -----Original Message-----
> From: QUIDGYBO> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 1999 8:21 PM
> To: greg@firelight.dynip.com
> Subject: Re: Air Combat in Texas
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>> Did you take your flight yet?
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> Naw....... They are having problems with the
> transportation safety
> board and FAA due to other structrural problems found on
> other planes. Seems
> the planes are rated for 5 g"s but some had been exposed to
> 12 g's and had
> major stress cracks in the wings. Probable cause for the
> crash that killed
> the two Delta air line pilots in April. So, they are shut down until
> something can be worked out with the FAA guys.
> Quidgy
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Mighty
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posted 01-17- 08:14 PM
Hmm, maybe that is a different incident. I thought the T-34 was rated to at least 7.5 Gs.IP: Logged |
Tailslide
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posted 01-18- 02:56 AM
I think he said the organization was called "warbirds", is/was there such a place? TS
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Mighty
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posted 01-18- 01:49 PM
I'm sure somebody has used that name for this sort of thing I remember hearing that someplace north of Denton, TX was running an air combat center. But I never learned any details. The third-hand info I had was that the planes were pitifully underpowered.IP: Logged |
Tailslide
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posted 01-18- 01:53 PM
Well he DID say it was the cheapest place he could find = )
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posted 01-18- 03:46 PM
The reason the T-6 cannot stay inverted is because the engine was carbureated (spelling??). Can't get fuel to go down the carb if you're inverted!!!! Pretty sure the first T-34's were fuel injected - not sure about a turbo prop version though. Will check...IP: Logged |
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