posted 01-06- 05:26 PM            

Nice new site, sorry to hear about Pete's site going down. but times change.

I have away a long time and as some of you know I have moved on to a new site in waiting for B172.

Fighter Squadron is a great sim to enjoy working on in the modeling dept. I am in favor of the openplane concept and wish to thank MH for creating this game with that feature.
However, unless I missed something, SDOE has some serious problems for the online community, the file transfers etc cause a terrible warp between the machines. I don't think anyone will doubt that.

I wish to extend an invitation to all vfighter grps be it Allied or Axis to stop by http://www.bombs-away.net and have a look at the new title B172 Flying Fortress "The Mighty Eighth" The sim looks incredible and I have seen the filmreels of it.

The real straight forward reason is that I hope that what grps may be here will also find interest in B172 as an added component to their gaming arsenal.

I in no way am affiliated with any developer or publisher and in no way should they be accountable for my visit here. I do respect the pleasure everyone here gets with SDOE.

To Me it was the first sim to allow for the cpabilities it is known for. I think that the openplane concept was what gave it a passed over opinion by the reviewers.

MH and all I salute you all in making this sim as enjoyable as it has been. I respect the hard work that goes into it as I have spent time with it as well.

But I have picked up new interests and the B17 is one of my favorites.

In closing I hope that there are some vgrp members who will be interested in joining our site as well.
Our site and B172 online will be about vwarfare with the bombers, a case of modeling the flight tactics etc amongst the different vgrps. I do hope that you all might find that to be of interest to you.

Again, best wishes to all here and keep at it. SDOE is an enjoyable and rewarding sim if one recognizes the real value of it with an open mind.

Thank you and will be looking for you.
rgrds,

posted 01-06- 06:19 PM               

Darren set you on a mission?

There's always a place for you if you want to fly SDOE.

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posted 01-06- 08:09 PM               

TS

posted 01-06- 08:12 PM               

"However, unless I missed something, SDOE has some serious problems for the online community, the file transfers etc cause a terrible warp between the machines. I don't think anyone will doubt that."

posted 01-06- 09:34 PM            

I asked about the problems a long time ago. when I asked about the TCP/IP etc.
And it seems to me what I recall being said was that packet transfers were the part of the problem. My memory is vague on it now, but that seems to be the problem I remember was explained to me.

I said "file" transfer didn't I Ooops my mistake I meant the packet transfers.

Again, that was what was explained to me.

Tailslide:

How do you move to a sim that isnt even out yet? Set your wallpaper to a B17-2 screenshot, setup your joystick and throw back bourbons until you see the planes move?
TS

How does one move to a woman, and yet has never seen her?

Actually, I have spent a great deal of time taunting the developers with mountains of questions. There is a case of false advertising as well to remember.
It is very very complex to describe here but I can say this, I am not an easy sell.
I refused to purchase EAW simply because I could not fly the bomber. I refused to purchase CFS because of the detail.

When I purchased FS I had understood that the bombers were flyable. I had a specification, FS met that specification.

Now when I first joined the board (Pete's site) I was awed by the fact that one was allowed to work with the files. I still am.
I think that it was very generous of MH and his staff to pursue the FS project. I hope that there will be more like it in the future.

I think that FS is the mechanics sim. I like that type of simulation but to date it has it's limitations. I recognized it but I never condemned anyone for it. I was and am a satisfied customer with SDOE. I said it before and will say it again: SDOE is Not for everyone, it is a special sim in that one can work and creat aircrafts and fix.

I would like to see B172 this way but that is not the case. it has a different objective all together.

Another thing is that B172 is centered around the Bombers. Historically, there would not be much need for the fighters such as the P51s had it not been the recognition that the 17s were vulnerable. Also the game is about mixing a role model and flight sim into one package. SDOE does not do this.

Where the games are headed is eventually into the realm of replacing Motion Pictures.
Every title that comes out regardless of genre is a contributing factor to the end result. Believe, me I saw this long before I owned FS.

In any event B172 has Belching Smoke it has bullet holes, it has every switch and lever functioning. etc It is newer in many ways.
There are tons of considerations going into the sim.

How well all this works is anyones guess How sure is a customer when he/she purchases a new car?? or a TV etc. Software is a love it hate it affair. I have every reason to think that it will be a good product. beyond the release date we will all know for sure.

Jaguar:

hhmmmmmmm...... If memory serves, I rember posting about FS:SDoE on the B-17II forum and recieved flames from every direction but North.....................
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Jag, I cannot remember when you visited or know what was said, but as I remember, I got a few flames as well when I was working on my mult-skins. I was told that it was old news etc. I even had people twist my name around and make curse words out of it.
I was only there a few days when that occured.

Point is only the person posting or replying is responsible for his or her actions. Thing on that is to take it with a grain of salt. BTW there is an actual FLAMEWAR thread here, which is fine if you want to vent but remember not everyone reads the same English language. It can carry on and over if not monitored with care.

Jet, Darren is independent of this. I am here because I wished to say hello to all,
that we have a new sim comming out, that anyone interested in joining a virtual grp or would be existing vgrps interested are welcomed to stop by sign up and organize.

I think that it will be a good sim to have.
It will Not replace SDOE in the areas that make SDOE shine. But it does have other areas that are being explored.

Again, Everyone, I personally am welcoming each and every one if you wish to come by join whatever. Just know that flames happen everywhere even on the highway but that never stops you from driving does it?

rgrds,
TH

posted 01-07- 12:00 AM               

Well I just can't get excited about a sim thats not even out yet. Not to the Point that I quit SDOE.

Yeah I went to that forum a couple times and there was nothing of intrest. Also I personally found it to constricting. You will be banned if you start a flame war. Yet here we have a section just for that.

I guess some people would rather sit there and chat about a game not even out then get down to some flying.

I also find people putting to much faith in the developer, they are trusting every peice of HYPE handed to them and will probly get burned because of it. It COULD be a good game and I will play it if it is but I not going to get all sweaty over it like a little school girl at this point.

PS I find SDOE looks better in some respects.

posted 01-07- 02:17 AM               

You think Sdoe lags, I'm afraid you may be dispointed when B17II is released and complain that the lag is so bad and say thats ok, my plane farts smoke. Whoopeee.

Sheesh you cant even paint the planes, how boring. Whoopee, I can add my own nose art.

Best of luck on your "Ultra Great as Advertised" unreleased toy.

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posted 01-07- 02:29 AM               

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posted 01-07- 05:38 AM               

Let's try not to get into a war of words with TwinHit over his passion for an unreleased sim. There were many people who felt that very same way about SDOE before it was released (and I'm glad that many of you still feel that way).

B-17II looks like it will be a kick-ass game. Only time will tell if it lives up to the hype.

posted 01-07- 06:03 AM               

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posted 01-07- 06:23 AM               

Once again someone beliving the HYPE. Just wondering. The B17 might be modeled well in the game but what about the rest of the planes?

I REALLY REALLY REALLY hope it comes out and kicks HUGE ASS. I hope it wipes the floor with all the other ww2 flight sims. And I hope it sells like hot cakes. The reason? One I want to play ANY good ww2 sims and the other is if it does well the publishers will see a good ww2 sim CAN make money if enough work and time is put into it.

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posted 01-07- 08:48 AM               

We'll have to wait and see. NOthing personal towards TwinHit. But dont come telling me that one thing is better than another if you havnt even held it in your hands.

I think the people here work hard on this game and are due a little pride.

Thats all

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posted 01-07- 10:32 AM               

I am looking forward to trying B-17II. I think it will add some new things to fighter sims.

But, I will not stop playing SDOE. Two things have kept me interested for so long. First it is the best of all sims for the feeling of flight. Second, each time something new is available it is like getting a new game. SDOE keeps improving and getting better.

I will try B-17II and I am sure I will like it, but if it does not feel like you are flying I will just uninstall it like I did EAW and CFS.

posted 01-07- 06:38 PM               

Just look for a game thats fun to play. Stop worrying about 100% realism. It's pointless.

"The promise from the developers is that every flyable plane will be modelled faithfully down to the last switch"

I could just imagine what this would do to a person's FPS.

But with all that said, I really do hope B-17II lives up to it's rep. It looks to be a really great sim.

posted 01-07- 06:56 PM               

"These are promises, not hype"

Hmm, promises are meant to be broken and are easy to forget. Its still all hype no matter if its the makers or the publishers uttering these words.

With that said, I'd like to say while a small feature, the online nose art sounds neat. But the whole skin would be better. And perhaps the game will pan out to be very fun. But who can say. Its not even out yet.

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posted 01-07- 08:11 PM               

Siggi,
Perhaps since you have flown a real warbird and asuming then that you are pilot, why not join in and help with making better FM's in SDOE? Thats seems like it could a be a valuable asset to making this a better game.

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posted 01-07- 09:46 PM            

Perhaps you have flown a 109 and are a real pilot - if so then you well know that the management neccesary to actually fly an aircraft requires the specialized instrumentation and mechanical means of an actual cockpit instrument/control layout. A joystick/keyboard/mouse setup just doesnt cover it if you've got to actually adjust prop pitch, mixture, trim, etc. in a 'realistic' manner. While you can do all these things with a mouse/keyboard combo it simply isn't efficient enough to do them quickly. If anybody could actually model every last flight system of a WWII bird for use on a pc they had best ship that game with a cockpit. And Siggi, I remember the days of the blue board (pre Pete's site)- before FS was released and you sounded very much the same about FS's features as you do about B-17II's now. Best to learn from past experiences don't you think?

Now I may be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time, but I would be highly surprised if they were able to model every system in every plane. I hope B17II is the best sim ever produced, I really do, but even if it is it won't live up to the expectations of the people so hotly awaiting it's arrival. The longer the wait, the higher the expectations will be, and the harder the fall.

posted 01-07- 11:50 PM               

"but it's never going to even remotely simulate the real thing"

The only thing thats close to the real thing IS the real thing. Think about it for a second. How could you really simulate air combat sitting on the ground staring at a computer screen?

When it comes down to it. I enjoy playing this game. Thats ALL that matters.

posted 01-07- 11:59 PM               

Siggi first of all thanks for the defence on the B17 2 forum, HUGE THANKS I totally agree with you.

about this

"I sincerely believe that the basic code in SDoE is so inherently flawed as to be unfixable. Sometimes you just got to admit defeat and start all over again. SDoE is fun, but it's never going to even remotely simulate the real thing."

I kinda get what you are saying it is definatly flawed. but i don't think to the point that MH should just scrap it and start over. It just needs a good working over. REALLY good one.

what would you say is the flawed parts? IF this opensource thing ever gets off the ground i think we could get alot of at least the small stuff fixed.

posted 01-08- 03:51 AM               

Nice to see you again on this "new" board I do miss mine at times, but oh well, times change.

Wow, I had no idea about your 109 experience. Mind if I ask how much your "go" in it cost? And was the owner asking a lot for it? Last question, when you "parked" it, did you cartwheel the thing, do a tail-loop, or completely total it?

This is very interesting info to me. Not only did you fly a 109, you crashed in one, and the biggie, you walked away! Not too many people can say they've done all that. I'm glad you DID walk away and are still with us.

btw, your pretty P-51 model is still sitting right in front of my face right now on top of my 19" monitor. Thanks again for that.

TwinHit, it's also good to see/hear from you again as well. S! to you and Siggi, and my old pal Stark too.