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Topic: Allied vs. Axis planes
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G-man
Pilot
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posted 12-23- 11:25 AM
   
I think this topic may have been discussed before, but has anyone else noticed that the German aircraft, specifically the FW-190 seem to have an unrealistic advantage over some of the Allied aircraft, such as the Spit or the Mustang? For example, I flew an offline mission last night in the '190 and I was able to do all kinds of manuveuring that would have caused a "blackout" or "redout" in any of the Allied planes. No problem with the 190. Later, I had to do a hard and fast landing on the side of a hill with a damaged 190 and it survived unscathed! In any of the Allied planes, I would have blown up or, at best, lost my landing gear.On a similar subject, I seems to me that the Mustang has taken on unrealistic spin qualities since FM5.2. This used to be one of my favorite planes to fly in SDOE, but now it's a dog. (I'm not trying to rip on those who worked on the P-51, it's just that I don't think it's very accurate; aircraft just don't spin that easily, especially if you're flying at 200kts or more). You would never guess that the P-51 was one of the best planes in the war based on the way it flies in SDOE. Well, enough of the negativeness. I want to wish my fellow virtual pilots all the best for the holidays and the upcoming year. Special thanks to those whose contributions to SDOE keep making this sim better and better. G-man IP: Logged |
Tailslide
Pilot
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posted 12-23- 11:32 AM
In the 190, the pilot had his legs more outstretched and less blood pooled in the legs. I don't know of a setting in openplane that affects G force tolerance for the pilot though. Agreed the 190 is a bit uber in 5.2, it is too fast, should be a little easier to depart and it's too tough, I have pulled out of a 600mph dive at 19 gees ! Please give the latest 5.3 beta a try it's on http://firelight.dynip.com/oppforum under flight models. The damage model hasn't been updated but the flight model has. I like the p51.. it takes some real skill to fly the edge on it. If you get too slow you are going to drop a wing unless you lower flaps. The original p51 had a combat flaps setting but in SDOE we can lower flaps at any speed so it doesn't matter LOL TS [This message has been edited by Tailslide (edited 12-23-1999).] IP: Logged |
G-man
Pilot
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posted 12-23- 01:46 PM
Thanks for the tip, Tail. I need to work the flaps into my combat flying a little bit better. Unfortunately, my skill level is as much a problem as any bugs in SDOE!G-man IP: Logged |
trub
Cadet
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posted 12-23- 03:44 PM
Dont mess up the P51. Please dont. It spins just fine. It is my favorite plane in SDOE. I cant say that its really the way it was or not, but I'd also figure that if in a real Stang, if you were able to move control surfaces with the ease you have in a sim, you'd probably spin just a much. In a sim, you can move control surfaces with ease, in a real plane it would take much more effort to move these same surfaces. So I'd say the P51 is close and its the pilot that is causing the spins. Due to unrealistic
'Digital control'.I do think the 190 needs some work, not very realistic. I watched a 190 manuever behind my spit with ease. It even turned tighter it seemed. Not right. It also seems a little too fast. Just dont change the Mustang. trub [This message has been edited by trub (edited 12-23-1999).] IP: Logged |
AE71_INFERNO
Pilot
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posted 12-23- 04:03 PM
trub, did you get PP 5.2?the P51 fm that came with the game was good, the one in the plane pack is the "bad", " uncontroable" one. I hate the new 5.2 fm. IP: Logged |
Razer
Pilot
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posted 12-23- 04:18 PM
uncontrolable? i kick ass in the P51D, it rocks. you just have to be gental with it like all the planes. no yanking and banking or you spin it. IP: Logged |
Tailslide
Pilot
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posted 12-23- 04:32 PM
The 190 did have a decent instantaneous turn but if you drag them around horizontally and they follow, you can get on their tail pretty quick. I can out-turn the 190 with both the spit and the p51 in 5.2 but the 190 should run the risk of spinning in if he drags his turns out too slow. TS [This message has been edited by Tailslide (edited 12-23-1999).] IP: Logged |
G-man
Pilot
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posted 12-23- 05:56 PM
Razer, "no yanking or banking"? This is a fighter plane! I agree that a lot (read as most) of my problems are user induced, but I still think the P-51 in SDOE spins too easily in relation to the airspeed. 200kts is not that slow, especially for a single-engine prop job. And remember, the Mustang had a super-charger (blower) on it, so it should kick butt speed wise compared to other aircraft, especially at altitude.G-man IP: Logged |
trub
Cadet
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posted 12-23- 08:01 PM
Yes that is the Stang in question, the one with the 5.2 FM right?DONT CHANGE IT!!!!!!!! Its actually very nice to fly and I wouldnt change a thing. No Yank and Bank here. I repeat,
Please dont change the P51. trub IP: Logged |
Tailslide
Pilot
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posted 12-24- 01:22 AM
I don't think much turn fighting was done in a p51 at 200kts without flaps:"the P-51 had combat flaps. This was a detent on the flap control, and in this setting, the flaps opened about three inches when flying about 250 mph, but at 400 MPH, the flaps were down about 1/4 inch. This really improved turning .." Learning takeoffs sounded nontrivial too: "I was ready to solo a P-51. However, as I was waiting in line for takeoff in a C-47, five P-51's ahead of me lost it on takeoff by ground looping to the left. Prior to this, David ? lost it to the left and the engine moved back into the cockpit and killed him. I lost my nerve. " quotes from an article by Bill Goodman USAF, ret. he has a huge set of web pages detailing his experiences in the war, interesting reading.
http://aafo.com/library/history/B-17/thisisit.htm TS
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Spanky the Mad Dog
Pilot
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posted 12-24- 06:26 AM
Spanky here.. Well all i can say is i'm smooth on the controls and i still have the p51 flipping on its back all the time for me doing a turn i find when i want to do a loop it just won't do it it always wants to flip onto its back. I liked the p51 stock and i think i liked it 5.1 but ask anyone who flys with me and i flat out refuse to fly the 51 i used to love the 109g and don't fly that one either because of the same thing My fav planes now are Bombers, and the fw190a and d the spits are cool but i still don't fly them as i seem to have a prob getting them up to speed and to hold that speed can't say much about them though cause i never fly them
I really like the p38 but i don't fly that either cause my tail always gets shot off. every time thats what kills me in that thing IP: Logged |
Jerry
Pilot
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posted 12-24- 12:41 PM
Agreed, the SDOE P-51 is far more squirly than the others. If it was truely that unstable in real life than the FM of all the other fighters must be dumbed down. The P-51 couldn't have been that much harder to control than the others in real life or no one would want to fly it.IP: Logged |
Spanky the Mad Dog
Pilot
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posted 12-25- 06:04 AM
Spanky here...
Exactly jerry, I know they weren't easy planes to fly but why would the p51 be that much harder to fly and still have a good following.
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