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Tailslide
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posted 12-12- 03:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tailslide   Click Here to Email Tailslide     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

It's not easy finding online games anymore these days is online play dead?

Did the wives get together and pull your plugs?

Spend every night doing the New York to Paris run in FS 2000?

Realize it's easy to shoot down the European Air War weenies?

Discover sex?

Pathetically trying to shoot himself down,

TS

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Spyder
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posted 12-12- 04:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spyder   Click Here to Email Spyder     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Probably more guys creating/mucking about with stuff than flying these days.
Could the multiplayer issues be the cause? The patch to fix the desktop bug is very much a needed item to keep the new players around.

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ArchAngel
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posted 12-12- 05:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ArchAngel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
$400.00 is probably as good an incentive as any to sit down with a good 3d program instead of joystick,throttle and pedals

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Jetlag
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posted 12-12- 07:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jetlag   Click Here to Email Jetlag     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spyder's got it in a nutshell. OpenPlane keeps this forum alive (which is fine by me). I think most of the serious squad pilots have moved on.

TS: I agree about the EAF weenies though. Never a truer word said

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STef_EAF329
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posted 12-12- 07:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for STef_EAF329   Click Here to Email STef_EAF329     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
couldn't resist to

For your information, even the EAF forum is very unfrequented at the moment.

Seems a nuclear holocaust happened in Europe and I'ven't been warned!

STef

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Yardstick
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posted 12-12- 08:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yardstick   Click Here to Email Yardstick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well it seems what happened about 2 months ago in Europe is beginning to happen in the US. However I am hopeful that Planepack 5.3, with its improved FM, DM and a few new planes will replenish some of the enthusiasm. Now if we could see some of the improvements that MH has built into the Beta patches in a finished product

It's a pity because what we have now is a quantum leap away from the arcadish sim that was originally released some 9 months ago.

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Katana
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posted 12-12- 08:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Katana   Click Here to Email Katana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This close to Xmas maybe their waiting to see what gunna come out.B17-2 or whatever plus there is lotsa interest in Flanker2,USAF and F/A18 fron Janes.

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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 12-12- 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky the Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Spanky the Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spanky here

Well Mad Dog is here and we are both on one computer now so there can only be one of us online at a time till around jan or feb. Plus we are down to 32 megs of ram until this tuesday and i don't even want to try flying until we get more ram. Then we will be up to 96megs (i can't wait) and also i ordered a new joystick so if all goes well we will be on tuesday or wed night.


About the sim it self i think a patch with the desktop fix and some other issues such as bomb bug could be a real boost to the online situation. Is there not also an issue with hits being registared?

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JT
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posted 12-12- 10:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JT   Click Here to Email JT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My computer is too slow.

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Sv
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posted 12-12- 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sv   Click Here to Email Sv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am on early - before 9:00pm EST.

Will be back on late in March...

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nealg
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posted 12-12- 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nealg   Click Here to Email nealg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it's the Christmas thing....many may be having to fulfill family obligations to make up for all the flying before Thanksgiving... But I definitely agree about the DT thing....it is so frustrating, and occurs way too often anymore. Seems there is always one or two of us who keep dt'ing in every game, and it's always someone different....at least the bug has no personal prejudices!!

Online last night for 3.5 hours, got into only 4 or 5 missions....if I wasn't desktopping or locking up, someone else was. Not a real good incentive to stay, nor probably a good example for new pilots.

I will be around every evening, though, and one of these days...ONE OF THESE DAYS!!!!...I will actually shoot Tailslide down!! ( Ok...let's be honest...I'll settle for just getting a good hit!! )!!

Good question to bring up....I think we need a reminder now and then, especially when things get hectic and 'real life' intrudes on what is really important...FUN!!

Now...back to real life...

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Jaguar
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posted 12-12- 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jaguar   Click Here to Email Jaguar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I haven't been online in ages, just because I have been messing around with Openplane. If I did try to get online all I would get would be a whole bunch of missmatch errors, etc. I can't even rember what I modified
It may sound wierd, but I enjoy messing around with OP, MORE than actually playing the game!...... but I still love to play offline with all those wierd planes flying around hehehe

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Hawker
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posted 12-12- 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hawker   Click Here to Email Hawker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well i havent been online much lately,but its for a few resoans,real life and xmas,waiting for the 5.3 patch as when i am online many are mucking with stuff i havent dowloaded yet.But i still love the game I am not going anywhere .

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Zoycite
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posted 12-12- 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zoycite   Click Here to Email Zoycite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All of the above plus I'm still hurt. I can only fly for a few minutes before it starts to hurt I do miss flying online.

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Sv
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posted 12-12- 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sv   Click Here to Email Sv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So what I'm hearing is:

By the spring the SDOE servers will be swamped! We will all be recovered - both form Chistmas and any physical ailments. We will also have a ton of new planes etc. to fly from all of our OpenPlane hacking... Maybe MH will get the SDOE beta out and there will be much less crashing to the desktop.

This will be great!

On the topic of the SDOE beta - anyone up to testing this on-line again? Let's see how much more stable it is - I remember it working very well...

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Hengist
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posted 12-12- 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hengist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well all I can say is that in Europe, I've been flying SDOE online every night since its release with thousands of regular people.

I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT ALL THE FUSS IS ABOUT?... whoops caps lock.

Ah well back to my thesis on how the moon is made out of cheese.

Hengist.

Hengist's MiG Alley Site. http://www.wulfhere.freeserve.co.uk/MigAlley/

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Archy
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posted 12-12- 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Archy   Click Here to Email Archy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I haven't flown online much recently because I too have caught the OPS bug! I have just completed a new version of the funkytiger: panzer2.2 as soon as Werner puts it up hell let you know. (it has a damage model with front, side,rear armor, and left and right tracks blow off, as well as the turret lots of fun of course it is a work in progress so some of the behavior of body parts need to be adjusted)

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Pang
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posted 12-12- 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pang   Click Here to Email Pang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have to admit I've been flying Aces High while it's in free beta. I just love the ebb and flow of big arena play. I doubt if I'll be paying $29/month to continue, tho - so I'll be bailing when it goes to pay.

That and I've been back into flight modelling and damage modelling. Looks like we'll be having engines that burn and explode this plane pak.
Pang

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rattlesnake
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posted 12-12- 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rattlesnake   Click Here to Email rattlesnake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know several of our squad members have the Open plane Bug. They have come up with a lot of advancments and turned out some pretty cool add-ons.

I understand a lot of people are waiting for the patch to be released because they are tired of the desktop crash.

Personally, I have only flown online the last two Thursdays which is our squad night. I have been fighting a nasty cold (its back) and havent been online much.

Hope you all have a nice Holidays and hope to see you online soon!

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Werner Molders
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posted 12-12- 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Werner Molders   Click Here to Email Werner Molders     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tailslide - I'm stuck in exam hell for one more week, and then its two solid weeks of online mania! I'll keep my eye out for you - considering our proximity we could have some very interesting missions!

Also, when not studying like crazy, I'm hard at work rebuilding the BCATP website (frames, javascript... it'll look really cool when its done) and I'm also working with Archy on the Panzers.

See ya sometime after 3:05pm on Dec 17th....

Werner

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roadtoad
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posted 12-13- 05:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadtoad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When you have a spud connection to start with it's much more fun to play LAN or work on a mesh than fuss with all the details it takes to just get in the air. For a lot of cogent reasons I prefer Kali anyway when I do online.

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goth
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posted 12-13- 08:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for goth   Click Here to Email goth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wish I was playing online, or playing at all. Until the baby is born, and the Christams debt is paid, I doubt my wife will let me upgrade the pc to make it run SDOE again. I've been gnashing my teeth looking at all the cool planes and vehicles, but I have to bide my time.

I hope when its together there will still be people out there ready to shoot me down.

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Gunner
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posted 12-13- 10:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gunner   Click Here to Email Gunner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I have been very busy with the new baby and a very stressed out wife. And the "You change him im online" reason doesn't seem to work with her.
I am held captive in my own castle. Staring longingly at the computer, bottle in one hand, diaper in the other. But im not complaining. Whats that? Comming honey!
shhh, thank God for football.

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Jeeves
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posted 12-13- 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeeves   Click Here to Email Jeeves     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well- I may have something to tide you all over until all that happens. In a day or two, I should have part 2 of the Dover Campaign done- I just have to tweak mission 15, check all my briefings and write up a read me of everything this edition involves- mainly a Tallboy, and 2 newer terrains- Rhineland Winter and Dover Night (if you don't have these, you'll have to give me some extra time to make them into regular Dover missions. Anyone interested in putting it up on their site? E-mail me...

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silas
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posted 12-14- 10:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silas   Click Here to Email silas     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have not been online much, in fact very little, due to low FR but have just finished building a P3-500 with 128 meg of memory and will soon be available for target practise.

This will be after Christmas.(Going home to Mom's)

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Mark_Walsh
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posted 12-14- 11:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mark_Walsh   Click Here to Email Mark_Walsh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My problem is that it is very difficult to organize a specific TIME to START a game. As it seems to me at present, I cannot join a game after it starts.

This has advantages for those who want to keep quality up, but disadvantages for those with other lives to lead.

Or have I got the bull by the horns on this?

Perhaps there could be a toggle switch on the game as it is being set up to choose whether others can join or not: a bit like passwording on Red Baron servers.

Regards,
MW

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Jaguar
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posted 12-15- 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jaguar   Click Here to Email Jaguar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hear ya Werner! I got 3 tests to go! 1 tomorrow (metallurgy SP?....... nice, I have the test tomorrow and I can't even spell the course name! LOL), 1 thursday (helicopter Theory... YEAH BABY! ) and 1 friday ( Aircraft systems.... Blah! I never knew the 737 waist system could be so boring! )

Everyone wish me luck, cause if I fail YOU DON'T GET ANY NEW PLANES! LOL :Þ

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Nash
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posted 12-15- 05:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nash   Click Here to Email Nash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey guys - been awhile

Just thought I'd pipe in with my personal feelings about it.

I very much *tried* to get involved with SDOE... imho its the best non-arena sim going. However for me alot can be summed up with the "I caught the OPP bug and I've been spending my time building a new whatzzit". To each his own, but for people interested in flight and combat, being a sort of virtual airplane mechanic NASA scientist physics modeller just doesn't cut it. If these two worlds cohabitated better, then great. But as it was when I stopped flying SDOE regularly, competition was scarce... and I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but, the *level* of competition was lacking.

I don't quite know why this is, but I suspect it is because the killers go where they can do their thing. And that is not in an environment where people enjoy tweaking planes more than they love the end product - air combat. And for guys like me, the latest greatest new plane cannot compensate for the desktop crashes or lack of flyers that hinder me and others from the one aspect of SDOE that we enjoy.


I'm sure alot of people appreciate the hard work that goes into constructing the latest helicopter etc.,... but that's a completely seperate thing. If SDOE is a forum for physics modelling, tweaking, applying new skins - then it's quite healthy - no worries. As far as online muliplayer FIGHTING goes - don't find it strange when after all this time in yer lab coats, surround by beakers and bunsen burners, you look up one day and say "Where did everybody go?" - and only yer lab mates are around to reply.

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Spyder
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posted 12-15- 06:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spyder   Click Here to Email Spyder     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you hit it right on the nail there Nash. Good post.

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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 12-15- 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky the Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Spanky the Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spanky here...

Yep that is exactly right nash, I go online all the time and never see any of the people that build stuff flying. Seems to me you would want to fly when you can and build stuff when theres no one flying. I guess there just not into it but like you said who are they building for? The less people online, the less games to play. The less games to play, the less people online. It all adds up to no one flying, just people making planes and trading them.

Sucks but thats just how it goes, maybe the builders forget how fun it is to shoot down or be shot down.

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Gunner
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posted 12-15- 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gunner   Click Here to Email Gunner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can relate,
The level of compitition with the exception of some new guys is fairly up to par in my book. Just not enough of it. And of course that is due to desk top bug in my opinion.

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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 12-15- 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky the Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Spanky the Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spanky here...


Yeah I can see the level of compatition being a problem. I personally suck ass. I would love to get better but i find reading any type of tactics info on the planes a waste of time since they don't perform the way there historical conterparts do.

One thing you flight sim gods can do to get a higher level of ally or opponent is to teach. I remember when i first started playing and i was just doing things all wrong. Tailslide flew with me one on one and told me what to do and what not to do, and he wasn't the only one. I made it a point to ask what I did wrong in combat when I was shot down. Unfortunatly mostly my evasive has gotten alot better but my offensive capabilites still needs alot of work.

So maybe we need some sort of learn to fight and live nights. That would rock i would love to get nash and tail and all the others taking a couple people up and telling them what to do and what they do wrong.

on a side note i am getting a new stick with a hat and rudder control so that could help me out alot for finding and keeping the opponent in view and lining up the shot.

OH boy I can't wait.

So in conclusion when you shoot a guy down tell him what he did wrong and when your shot down tell him what he could have done to do it faster, and congradulate him on a job well done.

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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 12-15- 09:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky the Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Spanky the Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spanky here

One last thing, does anyone know a good flight combat site that has tatics? Just general ones, not plane specific?

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Michael Harrison
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posted 12-15- 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Michael Harrison   Click Here to Email Michael Harrison     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tactics and teaching was something that Shadow was doing very well before ill-health took him away from the computer. I hope he's doing ok these days. Not hearing from him in so long is worrying though.

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kopper
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posted 12-15- 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kopper   Click Here to Email kopper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Check the HDD! There is a whole section that Shadow did on ACM! It is very good!

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OPPs Making SDOE a Dangerous place.
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kopper
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posted 12-15- 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kopper   Click Here to Email kopper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Two things that Shadow taught me: There are two components to winning a dogfight. The first is your flying ability - getting the en a/c off your tail and getting on his. Once you have gained the upper hand on this point the 2nd point is easy. Shoot and hit the plane.

Simple points but hard to actually do! The HDD has the 1st part documented well. The 2nd part is just plain practise.

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Tailslide
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posted 12-15- 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tailslide   Click Here to Email Tailslide     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

For tactics have a peep under World War 2 -> Tactics on my site below. I reccomend the tactics table (a big grid showing how to fight depending on your opponent) and the article on p51 energy fighting.

Spanky's right about not being able to use historic tactics all the time in SDOE. Most of the planes fly right compared to each other but there are exceptions. The next plane pack has a lot of emphasis on top speeds and climb rates so it should be a lot better in 5.3

Heya Nash, good to hear from you! I join the side with the crummy planes that's outnumbered or fly a bomber and things get challenging enough. The skill level is alot better since you played last but now there's a bunch of new players so it's a real mixed bag.

I like SDOE's graphics, physics, padlock and mission based format a lot more than the arena games, I wonder how B17-2 or TOE will handle online play.

TS

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Jetlag
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posted 12-15- 12:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jetlag   Click Here to Email Jetlag     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Kopper,

You shouldn't get into situation #1 in the first place if it can at all be avoided!

..And how you manage to get that Lanc from out of someones '12 and onto their '6 is beyond belief

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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 12-15- 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky the Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Spanky the Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spanky here..

Kopper everytime anyone asks a question you answer with Check the HDD. I have many times.

I'm looking for new and more expansive info.

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Michael Harrison
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posted 12-15- 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Michael Harrison   Click Here to Email Michael Harrison     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spanky,

Help him out and let him know specifically what you need that isn't in the doc. That way it can be improved.

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