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Author	Topic: Where should OPPs put their emphasis when making new planes?
kopper JAG	posted 11-26- 11:50 AM Plagerising Spanky's idea I have created a poll. The question is Which theatre should OPPs concentrate their efforts? Cast your vote at: http://apps6.vantagenet.com/zpolls/poll.asp?id=91126123927 ------------------ Kopper Fortunae Nihil (Nothing to Chance) OPPs Making SDOE a Dangerous place. One plane at a time. IP: Logged
Sp@nky Pilot	posted 11-26- 12:11 PM hehe i'll be the first one to say there should be a none of the above and all of the above i'm not too sure i'm kinda split bettween pacific and north africa IP: Logged
Michael Harrison General	posted 11-26- 12:13 PM Just to stir the pot a little (and because the poll didn't offer my choice)... I think the OPP group should do whatever they damn well please. If there's a particular plane or object that the group (or subset) wants to work on, I say go for it. Everyone has their opinion on what other people should do, and there's mine ;-) IP: Logged
kopper JAG	posted 11-26- 12:17 PM The maximum number of choices you can put on their poll is 5. I wanted to put more. ------------------ Kopper Fortunae Nihil (Nothing to Chance) OPPs Making SDOE a Dangerous place. One plane at a time. IP: Logged
Yardstick Pilot	posted 11-26- 12:22 PM If by Asia you mean Eastern Front then I vote for that. If you mean the CBI, then why no Eastern Front option? At least we have a terrain that will suffice (Rhineland) in both Autumnal and Winter guises. IP: Logged
kopper JAG	posted 11-26- 12:30 PM Yardstick, I knew you were going to ask. Only had five choices. I wanted to put more in. Use Asia for Russian or you can use European for Russia as well. ------------------ Kopper Fortunae Nihil (Nothing to Chance) OPPs Making SDOE a Dangerous place. One plane at a time. IP: Logged
kopper JAG	posted 11-26- 01:33 PM Spanky, The European theatre is smokin way out in front! ------------------ Kopper Fortunae Nihil (Nothing to Chance) OPPs Making SDOE a Dangerous place. One plane at a time. IP: Logged
Sp@nky Pilot	posted 11-26- 02:08 PM thats because the answers u supplied didn't give people a choice to vote otherwise no biggy none of this poll stuff does anything people will make what they want doesn't matter what the poll says i think what the 2 polls say together is people want more european planes but they don't want anyone telling them they HAVE to make planes for it so in my poll they voted to have more pac planes to show support for the people who don't build european planes ------------ i will still work on my p40 and it will be a PAC verient if thats how the chips fall i will not take any poll into account when i decide which model to make it will be based on which one i have the most info for and which one i like the most if a whole wack of people asked for a certain one i would do it but no one said much course 7 votes isn't much to go on [This message has been edited by Sp@nky (edited 11-26-1999).] [This message has been edited by Sp@nky (edited 11-26-1999).] IP: Logged
kopper JAG	posted 11-26- 02:28 PM Wait! It's my turn to lie with stats. What the pools are saying is people want OP stuff. They want realistic FM's no compromise but anything else will do. No one wants PAC stuff because it's SDOE (liberal interpretation here). The "E" is for Europe. Plus the last thing the OPPs vote showed is we need more planes. They consider FM, DM, Bigger Maps, Documentation, then more planes as a priority. Remember, I have the POWER now, you disagree and away to Flame War you go! He he Where the hell is everyone??? All we have is Canucks flaming canucks right now. ------------------ Kopper Fortunae Nihil (Nothing to Chance) OPPs Making SDOE a Dangerous place. One plane at a time. [This message has been edited by kopper (edited 11-26-1999).] IP: Logged
Whirlwind Pilot	posted 11-26- 04:56 PM Reason #102 why I don't bother too much with OPP, stated above by MH. If I want to make a flying sheep, I should be able to, and OPP should provide bidirectional feed back. IP: Logged
Michael Harrison General	posted 11-26- 05:17 PM whirl... I never said OPP should provide bidirectional feedback. If the project is sanctioned by OPP (whatever that means ) then they should do so, but if someone gets a wild hair and does it some weekend, I personally don't think OPP has any obligation to make it fly right. All of this is my opinion though (and you know what they say about those). IP: Logged
Michael Harrison General	posted 11-26- 05:18 PM Kopper... I'm not a canuck. Spanky's a canuck? that explains quite a lot. IP: Logged
Sp@nky Pilot	posted 11-26- 06:33 PM Actually I'm american born / Canadian raised but it does seem like its me and kopper mostly today IP: Logged
Whirlwind Pilot	posted 11-26- 08:34 PM Ah, MH, but they all expect help from everybody else (and when I was a member of OPPs I was giving a lot of info out) in OPP, and not just to make it fly, which is not what I think that OPPs is for. I could give's a rat's patootie if they can make the sheep fly, I just think it would be nice if they would cough up information on rare occasions as opposed to leech it and give nothing, or next to it in return. Bidirectional feed back, I give information and they answer my questions in return, eventually. Their sole purpose in life shouldn't be answering questions based on whether the project is eurotrash (sorry, European Theater flight sim glut) aircraft or not. If I do come up with planes and new terrains I should charge. Maybe start a new team called OpenPlane For Profit, or OPFP. Then, people can vote with their dollars. How about $5 a plane, $10-$20 a theater (depending on size). Of course, only after 5-10 release could we know what the consumer is really after. Just because you get some feed back from customers, you might not be getting all of the noise that you should. How many people really want something, but don't ask because they are too busy or questionair's aren't their thing. I pretty sure there are a lot of lurkers who never voice their oppinions (sic) (snicker), because there are just a lot of 'static' messages they could care less about. Who has time to link to a pole on another page when there are more important things to read? Why not get people to vote with their dollars? People are more likely to buy or not buy than fill out a survey, right? Information is a two way street, when its not paid for, right? IP: Logged
kopper JAG	posted 11-26- 08:50 PM Whirlwind, You are reading my mind. First we get everyone to be an OPPs junkie... Then, we have them hooked and we make em start paying. I can see it now.... First off OPPs doesn't say yea or nea to any project. The only OPPs sanctioned project, big project, has been the Spit IX. 90% of the stuff being done is outside of OPPs. I just wish we could harness the energy outside of OPPs as well. My philosophy - you get by giving! You don't get by taking. You don't get my giving and expect because you are giving that you will get. You get by giving is giving unconditionally. Giving without expecting something in return. Whirlwind you were a huge benefit while you were in OPPs. We were and still are on the leading edge of this stuff. Lots of people ask questions in OPPs and most of the time there are no answers because no one knows. We do have communication problems at OPPs. We have the forum and people in OPPs don't use it. People don't use the forum so then the emails start flying. Then people ask to be taken off the email list. So they don't check the forum and they are off the email list. Which means they are out of the loop. In a given week I must get 30+ emails relating to OPPs. One day last week there were 65 emails relating to OPPs. I delete more than I read. We moved off PH forum because it was turning into a war zone. Plus we thought there would be lots of data exchanging hands. There is to an extent and it's all at the OPPs forum. We have people coming and going in OPPs like crazy. Some of our biggest contributors are stepping back, which is not good. Others are stepping to the front, which is good. This whole act somehow has to be juggled with people spread all over the world. Everyone can't give a 100% but if we could get everyone giving a little in the same direction we could go to the moon. Again read our 'What is OPPs' page at http://www.fshangar.com/area51/ ------------------ Kopper Fortunae Nihil (Nothing to Chance) OPPs Making SDOE a Dangerous place. One plane at a time. IP: Logged
Whirlwind Pilot	posted 11-27- 01:02 PM Left hand, right hand. Both are working on projects. The left hand is working or has just completed a project that pertains to the right hand's project or covered information that the right hand needs to continue its project, and the right hand knows this. The left hand has his project done, and knows the right hand's project need his information, but lacks interest in the right hand's project. Do you think the left hand will help the right hand? Probably not. Even if the right hand is leafing through a Playboy, and the left hand is holding something else. I've seen it work this way in OPPs. Mission statements are nothing, dedication to the mission is everything. IP: Logged
swalker Cadet	posted 11-27- 02:09 PM Because of the new games coming out and the areas they cover, here is my opinion (since the poll limits selection). 1. Prioritize planes- Finish the 109E and Zero Add the P-47 and Hurricane to Europe- this is a must to make the roster fairly representative. 2. Start work on a pacicfic campaign as follows China- do the P-40 (this can also be used in Africa) Japanese planes- Sally, Val, Oscar. This will allow "Flying Tiger" missions. 3. Add the following planes for early Pacific scenarios: Kate, F-4 Wildcat, Dauntless, TBD torpedo bomber. Add freighter, destroyer, cruiser, and battleship objects for US and Japan. 4 Add aircraft common to both fronts: B-25, P-39, B-24 With this done, just about any air battle through 1943 can be written for the Pacific. Because of the work already done on many planes, Europe & Africa can become more inricate. Now, any plane added is just a bonus and we can mix it up with just about anything. Sam IP: Logged
Zoycite JAG	posted 11-27- 02:45 PM Yardstick wrote: "If by Asia you mean Eastern Front then I vote for that. If you mean the CBI, then why no Eastern Front option? At least we have a terrain that will suffice (Rhineland) in both Autumnal and Winter guises." If the Soviets were a choice I'd like to agree with Yardstick. And actually the Soviets did fly sorties into Germany so, yes Rhineland will work just fine. I've been toying with a Eastern Front map, but work and success has been slow Raider and myself do have the above Yakolev Yak-3 with guns and gear moved to the propper places, the plane still needs alittle work. I have also made some changes to the model, but there was no interest in the project, so its been on the back burner for now. ------------------ Zoycite {GS} GUNSLINGERS visit The War Paint Factory IP: Logged
kopper JAG	posted 11-27- 02:56 PM Many missions by Bomber Command started in England and ended by landing a friendly basis in Russia. We could use the current crop of planes with Russian marking as well as new russian planes. By the way, my ethnic background is Ukrainian, so I am not a big fan of Stalin's Russia. Neither were many of my relatives who were in Ukraine during WWII. So much so, that they joined the 14th Waffen SS Division formed in Ukraine in late '43 to fight the communists. I had relatives on all sides of the war. Go figure! ------------------ Kopper Fortunae Nihil (Nothing to Chance) OPPs Making SDOE a Dangerous place. One plane at a time. [This message has been edited by kopper (edited 11-27-1999).] IP: Logged
Zoycite JAG	posted 11-27- 03:43 PM Heya, While I'am not advocating Stalin or his view of how the world should have been. I believe that the general populus of Russia, like Germany, were victims of propaganda and promise of a better life spouted from the mouths of thier leaders. I'd suppose that the average Russian airman/women, flew and fought for thier homeland (and fought heroically I might add), not for the views of their disturbed leaders. Also the Yak-3 was a great plane and only deserves a place in any WWII sim. As do quite a few other Soviet aircraft. Kopper, You must have a wealth of history in your family, and its nice that you share that at your web site. Thanks ------------------ Zoycite {GS} GUNSLINGERS visit The War Paint Factory IP: Logged
Mirthain Pilot	posted 11-27- 06:04 PM Well, My 2 cents..... ;} I do kinda agree with Koppper.... dont' fall down yet.... we do need to finish the current planes... 51's and the rest. I love the new planes, and get any that interest me, but OPP's IMFO should finish the work they have started, then work on other stuff. As for Indepent people doing stuff..... I love the work, but lets try to avoid the cloning bad FM stuff. I understand that the research is killer, and many times it is guesswork, but just having the model isn't the same as having the plane flying like the plane. Try to change something, so that plane is a little more indicative of its real counterpart. Just some wandering thoughts from someone that was on vacation.. ;} Mirthain=FC= IP: Logged
Whirlwind Pilot	posted 11-27- 08:01 PM The FM's will never make everybody happy. Get them so that they are numerically correct (climb and stuff), get rid of the bounciness, and fix the niggling bugs. I'm personally going to work on 9 different OpenPlane projects, and when they get done they get done. Beleive it or not, the FM for the B-25 might be done before the model (sad, but true). I should really post the source code for my terrain .asc file generator and random lod copier. IP: Logged
Zoycite JAG	posted 11-27- 08:09 PM "). I should really post the source code for my terrain .asc file generator and random lod copier." Oh, Whirlwind, do share ------------------ Zoycite {GS} GUNSLINGERS visit The War Paint Factory IP: Logged
kopper JAG	posted 11-27- 08:12 PM Didn't you let Brian Russell know about your terrain stuff? ------------------ Kopper Fortunae Nihil (Nothing to Chance) OPPs Making SDOE a Dangerous place. One plane at a time. IP: Logged
Hawker Pilot	posted 11-28- 01:10 PM Was MH slamming canucks I am Canadian and part of OPPS FM tweakin depatment i wouldnt want to inhibit anyones creativity,but would like to see europe and asia stuff as a priority,but i like all the newq stuff comming out,as it has given people many new ideas. IP: Logged
Whirlwind Pilot	posted 11-28- 05:11 PM I might be missing some header/other info when I output the file. The program just does the .asc file and nothing else. I woner if I still have that code around that randomly generates triangle base terrain? It didn't do texturing, but it was fast under Mesa. IP: Logged
Mad Dog S Pilot	posted 11-29- 05:56 AM This is just about something Kopper said: My philosophy - you get by giving! You don't get by taking. You don't get my giving and expect because you are giving that you will get. You get by giving is giving unconditionally. Giving without expecting something in return. Is it just me or is that confusing as hell?! I had to read it like six times before I got it right!! Could just be that I'm a Canuck though. This isn't a flame (JAG), just something I found very amusing. IP: Logged
kopper JAG	posted 11-29- 10:12 AM Perhaps I just should have left it as 'You get by giving.' ------------------ Kopper Fortunae Nihil (Nothing to Chance) OPPs Making SDOE a Dangerous place. One plane at a time. IP: Logged
Whirlwind Pilot	posted 11-29- 10:43 AM Well damn. MH seems interested in helping with the 'larger terrain' now. I was struggling to get help with this 5ish months ago. I had it done to a point where it would work (reference 'ocean.sm'), although buggy. He's graciously pursued patching the game in his own time (with derrivitive results going to Poject X,Y) and started this nice forum. Throngs of people have been wanting (a few have delivered) new FM's for the existing planes, which in an article MH said it wouldn't take too long to fix himself. Seeing that I have been messing around with SDOE since it shipped, doing various things, hitting brick walls, and waiting for things to change, I think it is time for me to go somewhere else. Much to many's delight (judging by my previous harsh critisisms) I'll be a non-active SDOE user, until I get into another sim (CFS? ). Bye. IP: Logged
Sp@nky Pilot	posted 11-29- 01:41 PM Whirlwind What pissed ya off man? MH's spotty help? I sure hear ya though i wanted to put together a web page on how to set up your computer best for online play but i needed some answers from MH at the time i wrote in the forum and email. Nothing so i said fuck it then. I suggest you do the same work on something you don't need help with or can get it from other users. IP: Logged
kopper JAG	posted 11-29- 02:25 PM BS to that Spanky! Zoycite put something together about the very issue that you raised as a concern and emailed you. He hasn't heard boo back from you about it. People around here are quick to critize others. Give me a break! Zoycite was waiting for your input and you didn't respond. Would you care to comment on your lack of involvement? Yes I am pissed! ------------------ Kopper Fortunae Nihil (Nothing to Chance) OPPs Making SDOE a Dangerous place. One plane at a time. IP: Logged
Jeeves Pilot	posted 11-29- 02:58 PM Ohh Ohh- the Canadians are getting reckless Better move this into the bar for a big time brawl! Seriously, just had to peek my American head in here to even the odds a bit. Fact is, I've been trying to get Combat Flight Simulator to work- I go to the loading screen and it locks up everytime. The SDOE gods must be frowning on me telling me to get back to work on Dover Part 2. IP: Logged
Sp@nky Pilot	posted 11-29- 04:19 PM Kopper i just forgot to check my email today for some reason it slipped my mind i use hot mail so i have to go check it i sent him a reply when i said i tried to get MHs help about setting up a "how to set your computer up for online play" page that was like 2 months ago i didn't hear back from him so i said screw it now me and Zoy are working on it its all cool man calm down hehehe IP: Logged
kopper JAG	posted 11-29- 04:22 PM Auch sooooo! IP: Logged

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