posted 11-25- 04:37 PM               

Then people started saying stuff like, we shouldn't work on new planes while the old ones are broken and we shouldn't work on pacific theater planes when there is a SDOP on the way some time in the future.

SO
You know me

I'm a sucker for punishment

I put up a poll

Cut and Dry just like some good coke!

Do you want people to work on any pacific theatre stuff?

I said planes in the poll but i should have said stuff.

Like planes, terrain, ships

PLEASE READ THE QUESTION CAREFULLY
http://apps6.vantagenet.com/zpolls/poll.asp?id=91125172419

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My opinion

Not trying to sway anyones vote!

I think working on PAC stuff is fine SDOP is in my opinion over 1 year away. Probably more like 2 years.

I am making a p40 and i consider it a PAC plane, I think it was used in Europe but i'm not too sure. I plan on learning FM while i go along and it will have correct FM when it comes out.

In other words it will not be another FW190 or spit.

anyway

I figure with the lack of people working on stuff, that we let them work on what they want. If it happens to be a PAC plane or a helicopter or a korean war jet. I say

GO FOR IT

AND PLEASE SHARE

now back to the war

who wants to start?

??

[This message has been edited by Sp@nky (edited 11-25-1999).]

posted 11-25- 04:47 PM               

Here is my take on the planes. We had this debate at the OPPs forum. The name of SDOE has a E for Europe.
It's no big secret that MH is working on SDOP the P is for Pacific. So why work on P issues. If people start doing a large amount of P stuff then it opens a whole can of worms that will need fixing. Why not leave the P stuff for when SDOP comes out even if it may be 2 yrs from now.

E is for Europe so lets concentrate on Europe stuff. Does adding another plane that is a Spit or 190 in disguise contribute to the sim.

Unfortunately not. The FM's were not right to begin with. So people are making copies of planes with bad FM's then the copies have to be fixed as well, propogating the problem.

Why not fix the current FM's then start making new planes. Basing them on correct FM data.

The Damage models are not accurate either. They are down right terrible. These need to be fixed as well.

The next issue is you fix the FM's of the planes to make them realistic then how do you address the bombers. Do you want to spend 40 min climbing to 20K ft?

The maps are too small they need to be enlarged. There is no question in my mind on this point the maps should be bigger. How big is the question?

In OPPs we have 45 people on the mailing list. I would say 25-30 are active at some sort of OP. When the Spit IX was done there was really only about 5 people on that project and it took just over 3 months to complete.

There are just as many people outside of OPPs doing OP but they are working as individuals. If everyone combined their strengths towards an agreed common goal we could accomplish far more in less time.

So, as Jag pointed out in an earlier post in here and he was quoting me, the last thing SDOE needs right now is another plane. There are far bigger issues that need to be addresses, in my opinion.

Keep in mind this is my opinion. I can't stop anyone from doing anything they want. These are only words!

Thank you for this paid commerical announcement for OPPs.

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Kopper

Fortunae Nihil
(Nothing to Chance)
OPPs Making SDOE a Dangerous place.
One plane at a time.

posted 11-25- 05:07 PM               

i think its better that u moved yours over

would have been kinda wacked if i cut and pasted everyones stuff over here

i just wanted to get it in the public eye

BTW since we are in the public eye
if anyone has any pics, drawings, 3ways, sounds, info, or stats on the p40 please let me know

posted 11-25- 05:43 PM               

I hope the future of SDOE is not decided by this poll???

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Kopper

Fortunae Nihil
(Nothing to Chance)
OPPs Making SDOE a Dangerous place.
One plane at a time.

posted 11-25- 06:09 PM               

no i don't think it will be
i just want people to know what the majority of people think about the subject

yeah i know the p40 was used outside of the PAC but i consider it mainly a pac plane

i know your trying to get it so we have a large european game kop but SDOP isn't going to be out for a LONG time

and if peoples planes are good enough i would consider it an honor to have my p40 included in SDOP

posted 11-25- 06:10 PM               

I'm all for it. Just as long as it has a decent FM and DM to it.

posted 11-25- 06:34 PM               

Sorry Sv and nuum.

posted 11-25- 06:49 PM               

I was only joking.

Do other people's opinion really matter if you want to work on something?

posted 11-25- 07:10 PM               

This poll is rigged as a conspiracy against me and I'm going to prove it! :O

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Kopper

Fortunae Nihil
(Nothing to Chance)
OPPs Making SDOE a Dangerous place.
One plane at a time.

posted 11-25- 07:37 PM               

Did i miss a freaking press release somewhere?

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Considering there is an upcoming SDOP game

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It's no big secret that MH is working on SDOP the P is for Pacific.

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Why not leave the P stuff for when SDOP comes out even if it may be 2 yrs from now.

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I can understand how Pacific operations might not mean as much to you Canuck bastards (*glares at Jag*) but it means a hell of a lot more to me than the european theater.

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Those who can, do.
Those who can't, bitch to those who can to
not, thus hindering any progress and advancement.

I am SO sick of this topic.. it's an idiotic one in the first place. "Should you people create enjoyment for yourselves and others, and promote the expandibility of this sim to the naysayers/unknowning outside the community? Of course not!" <-- find the logic.

posted 11-25- 08:27 PM               

The folks that want to finish fixing the Europe planes before adding more Pacific stuff are right!

You know what???

The folks that want to expand the sim by adding Pacific stuff or additional planes are right!

...there is a strong argument for both.

Lets don't take this to a one way or the other approach!

If someone wants to add Pacific or new planes to SDOE... knock yourself out!

For everyone else, it sure makes sense to me for you to join in on the work to fine tune the planes that exist now! I for one really appreciate the efforts of the folks that have been hammering away at those DMs and FMs so that we can all enjoy the flight experience of this sim even more!

posted 11-25- 08:36 PM               

I've installed several of the later "new and exciting" planes. After taking them up a couple of times I've parked them because they feel like flying an arcade shooter! (Names withheld because I respect the art, effort and contributions of all of the authors! I just don't enjoy flying a couple of these planes with their present FMs!)

Kopper:

OPPs may want to select a particular plane who's flight model is neutral and pretty well tuned and raise it up as the "starting point" model for the folks that plan on creating a new plane. At least that way we can minimize the number of planes with poor flight models that get created.

FM Guys:
Is this idea practical from an Open Plane perspective??

Just a thought... Ronin

posted 11-25- 08:59 PM               

Dole, this is a friggin Canuck conspiracy to take over SDOE. Note "E" not "P". Everybody knows the next project after the ultralight sim is SDOP. Where you been exiled to Siberia? Lost in the backwoods of the Amazon?
Get with the program!!!! LOL

Plus it doesn't help that we are all Commies up here, eh!

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Kopper

Fortunae Nihil
(Nothing to Chance)
OPPs Making SDOE a Dangerous place.
One plane at a time.

posted 11-25- 09:56 PM               

and i'm a full blooded PINKO

LOL

anyway i think Ronin has a good idea with that hmm... standard fighter model to start with

BTW Dole where have u been man? we have known about SDOP forever

well now u know

sorry kopper i think people should just make what they want to make

i guess ya feel like is us against u
but thats not what it is at all
just a diffrence of opinions

posted 11-25- 10:50 PM               

Here is another "Ultra Realistic" opinion from Zoycite..........

Does it matter what is made and what isnt made? While I personally feel that yes Pacific planes should wait, I have no problem with people making Zero's, Hueys or even a Santa dropping gifts from his ass. Perhaps when there is a better method for creating new terrains is available, these new craft would have a better place within the game. But till then, I enjoy seeing all the new stuff and the possibities that arise from all this tinkering. Sheesh, when I first flew the Zero, I spent 5 minutes just playing with the canopy, wow thats great I thought. Also WWI would be very cool! Just another facet in this diamond (all be it very rough) we call OpenPlane. In the long run I think that this will all lead to better OP sims in the future.

What I'd like to see is all the current European Theater craft that shipped with the game finished completely. FM's, mapping and so on. I know this is getting worked on by OPPS and MH. All in good time. The new aircraft should keep coming aswell, but lets let the FM gurus finish the first set of planes, before we start complaining that a plane is crap cause of this or that. When these first planes are done, then say pick a set of new craft to work on. The problem I think is this stuff isnt getting done as fast as some people feel it should. Realize this work gets done on peoples own, free time. So giv'em a break.

All good things, in all good time

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posted 11-25- 11:50 PM               

As for making non-european theater planes a standard, that is where I do think it should stop. Work on 'em, yes; add them to your install, if you wish, absolutely; share them with the community if others like them, of course; even do online missions so you can fly them with those who want them. But the so-called " official " Plane Pack Planes considered as online standard should be from the theaters included with the original package. That's just my take on it.

posted 11-25- 11:53 PM               

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posted 11-26- 12:24 AM               

What I see are all these resources working to individual gains/projects. If all that additional manpower were harnesses we could have this sim shaped up in no time.

So we stop the individual creativity to work together as a team to get the basics finished. It's not as glamourous as making your own plane and it's tedious work.

We have only had two main guys on FM until recently, now there are a few more but we need more. We need more to help us with the DM. And still more with the Bigger Maps. Then we have to document it all so others can learn (just like SV is doing and the same with the How to docs we have at the OPPs site).

Then go nuts!

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Kopper

Fortunae Nihil
(Nothing to Chance)
OPPs Making SDOE a Dangerous place.
One plane at a time.

posted 11-26- 03:23 AM               

I lost.

posted 11-26- 04:26 AM               

I don't believe anything till I'm double clicking the icon.

Has MH flat out said, "Look for SDOP coming soon!" Then pampered us with screenshots?

posted 11-26- 04:41 AM               

quote:

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What I see are all these resources working to individual gains/projects. If all that additional manpower were harnesses we could have this sim shaped up in no time.

So we stop the individual creativity to work together as a team to get the basics finished. It's not as glamourous as making your own plane and it's tedious work.

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That sounds like OPP - except it's not volunteer to do the project you want. Not everyone is a member of OPP. I'm not. I like to *play* with stuff (note - not work) in my own timeframe and some other things that i didn't like...

posted 11-26- 05:21 AM               

MH has stated that after project y comes project x

and he has also stated project x is a ww2 pacific theater flight sim

posted 11-26- 07:09 AM               

I personally think you should make the planes which bring you pleasure. I say this to the individuals and to the people operating under the OPP umbrella.

You also shouldn't keep from building a plane just because it might be in our next WWII game. OpenPlane is about expandability. There's also a good chance that if one of you come up with a kick-ass plane, we'll want to include it in SDOP.

posted 11-26- 08:54 AM               

No one can kick back and take a holiday like an underworked, overpaid, pretentious yank. If for some unGodly reason you ever find yourself in the bowels of mid-Missouri over Thanksgiving, the Fourth of July, or Christmas, stop by, and I'll show you what it's all about. I'll have some Labatt's 50 on ice.

My Two Cents: I would like to the see the FM tweaked a little more and the damage modeling working on most of all, while in the meantime, back at the ranch, MH works on the patch when he isn't trying to support his family.

I think anyone should do anything they want as far as designing. I liked the vision of some animal flying around dropping things out of it's ass. (Spyder, can you see like this 25ft. tall rabid marsupial flying over the channel, preparing to deficate 250lb.'ers on the unsuspecting axis forces below?)

The only thing is, I really don't fly offline too much, and I'm mainly interested in stuff you might see pop up in an online game. I really only have planes loaded that might actually be used in an online game, so a lot of the stuff I'll probably never use.

I wouldn't mind if the map were just a little bigger, that would be okay, but I echo Kopper's sentiment that no one wants to spend an hour climbing to altitude. Well, maybe we do, but our wives/bosses/family probably would decide it was time to call for an intervention.

Viva la leftovers,

Mk10=225th=

posted 11-27- 12:02 AM               

Firewood?!.......We have mounties garding the stash.

posted 11-27- 12:22 AM               

http://oldpostoffice.com/badass/oppsurvey.htm

posted 11-27- 02:19 PM               

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